Bad beat/Moaning/Venting thread - Mammy told me not to come.

[ComradeCollie]

I doubt today's hearings will match yesterday for drama. Although we do get to hear a British accent in Fiona Hill, on the Hill. Hurrhurr.

Did you watch her testimony yesterday? She's kinda scary in a really good way.

[Raoul Duke III]

Did you watch her testimony yesterday? She's kinda scary in a really good way.

Oh yeah. They should make her President.

Called out Nunes for peddling his KGB tropes.

[Theresa]

I tipped him up several weeks back, cough, cough

SPOILER

So he will clearly crash and burn now

Lol give it up. Who haven’t you “tipped up”.

[Strewelpeter]

Oh yeah. They should make her President.

Called out Nunes for peddling his KGB tropes.

Thought this bit was particularly brilliant, she explains and exposes the whole rotten conspiracy in such a a simple and understated way leaving her audience with no choice but to see the appalling vista of what it means for democracy if they allow him to carry on.

[DeadParrot]

Thought this bit was particularly brilliant, she explains and exposes the whole rotten conspiracy in such a a simple and understated way leaving her audience with no choice but to see the appalling vista of what it means for democracy if they allow him to carry on.

Not a lot of surprises about the response from the right..

[Guest]

Would be a decent time for you to break your streak. That level of smarts is what you need running a country.

I've liked Warren for quite a while but I work with a person who's a registered Republican, not a Trump supporter now.
They are convinced that Warren hasn't a chance, Pete maybe a tad more but it's Biden who gets the nomination relatively comfortably.

Most of their family are Democrats from a swing state and they find the prospect of any front runner other than Biden as incomprehensible.
Biden does better than the others in almost all polls with Trump which is why I'd like to see him win in many ways.

[Raoul Duke III]

Lol give it up. Who haven’t you “tipped up”.

You tell me kiddo. I think Buttigieg is the only one thus far.

[Hectorjelly]

def game_over():
print ('it was always going to be this way')

def the_devil():
print ('Black Man is the Debil')
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Their only responsibility is to ensure the game is safe and that players are treated equally. I know for example that the Fitz have employed someone recently whose role is to review video footage from the previous day.

To check for cheating? I would find that incredible. Whilst working there it was a huge battle to get them to do anything to combat the cheating that they knew was taking place. If anyone has inclination, have a look through the results from the EOM for the last few years. The same names crop up over and over again - some of them are good players so its understandable, but some aren't, and their cashing rate is really phenomenal. Some of the players in question have been barred for cheating from other casinos.

[Raoul Duke III]

I've liked Warren for quite a while but I work with a person who's a registered Republican, not a Trump supporter now.
They are convinced that Warren hasn't a chance, Pete maybe a tad more but it's Biden who gets the nomination relatively comfortably.

Most of their family are Democrats from a swing state and they find the prospect of any front runner other than Biden as incomprehensible.
Biden does better than the others in almost all polls with Trump which is why I'd like to see him win in many ways.

He will be 78 years old.

Shouldn't be anywhere near the most powerful job in the world.

[Raoul Duke III]

To check for cheating? I would find that incredible. Whilst working there it was a huge battle to get them to do anything to combat the cheating that they knew was taking place. If anyone has inclination, have a look through the results from the EOM for the last few years. The same names crop up over and over again - some of them are good players so its understandable, but some aren't, and their cashing rate is really phenomenal. Some of the players in question have been barred for cheating from other casinos.

What kind of cheating are we talking about here HJ? Signalling hands to each other presumably.

[Hectorjelly]

You tell me kiddo. I think Buttigieg is the only one thus far.

I think your fondness for Buttigieg is because he reflects your centre-right leanings rather than any mystic meg type premonition.

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/15/pete-buttigieg-campaign-black-voters/

“You’re running for president, and you want black people to vote for you?” the woman said. “That’s not going to happen.”

“Ma’am, I’m not asking for your vote,” Buttigieg responded.

[Solksjaer!]

Had my own suspicions regarding certain live poker over the years. Variance my bollx. Some cheating from not just players . Say anything yer a bad loser. Not arguing. Leaving it there . I was niave . Should have banged heads .

[Hectorjelly]

What kind of cheating are we talking about here HJ? Signalling hands to each other presumably.

Signalling hands is a very ineffective way to cheat. First of all it's actually quite rare than it makes a difference in a poker hand if you know what two extra cards are - also in a tournament you have to be at the same table, and lastly you need to be a good player to actually take advantage of this information. If two bad players collude they aren't likely to become winning players. A much better form of cheating is much cruder, and will help bad players - extra tournament chips.

[Guest]

He will be 78 years old.

Shouldn't be anywhere near the most powerful job in the world.

Why is his age an issue?

[Raoul Duke III]

I think your fondness for Buttigieg is because he reflects your centre-right leanings rather than any mystic meg type premonition.

https://theintercept.com/2019/11/15/pete-buttigieg-campaign-black-voters/

“You’re running for president, and you want black people to vote for you?” the woman said. “That’s not going to happen.”

“Ma’am, I’m not asking for your vote,” Buttigieg responded.

Not really.

I want Trump beaten. Which I think puts all of us on the same page.

Which means I want a Dem candidate that would appeal widely enough in the swing states to win. I've often pisted here that the ideal Dem candidate is from a mid-West or Southern state, centrist, young, military record, with good hair.

I've frequently said that Warren and Sanders look like wonderful candidates - from Europe. In America, they are simply too East Coast and too liberal (read 'socialist' in American terms). They won't fly in the swing states.

Biden is, let's face it doddery, and comes with baggage.

Which leaves us with Buttigieg. And the threat of Bloomberg simply buying his way to the nomination.

Clinton and Kennedy had pretty slim portfolios too prior to winning the WH.

[Raoul Duke III]

Why is his age an issue?

When you looked at his debate performance, what did you see?

Gaffes and confusion everywhere.

You want a young guy goung up against an old guy. That is the recipe for success.

[Raoul Duke III]

Signalling hands is a very ineffective way to cheat. First of all it's actually quite rare than it makes a difference in a poker hand if you know what two extra cards are - also in a tournament you have to be at the same table, and lastly you need to be a good player to actually take advantage of this information. If two bad players collude they aren't likely to become winning players. A much better form of cheating is much cruder, and will help bad players - extra tournament chips.

Ah sorry, thought you meant cash games.

There was a fair bit of that in the SE at one stage. Guy would signal his buddy he had a top hand, buddy would raise it up, fish came along for the ride and then guy would pump it again. Crude but effective way of getting stacks in pre!

If I recall, it was all done via chip stacking.

[Guest]

When you looked at his debate performance, what did you see?

Gaffes and confusion everywhere.

You want a young guy goung up against an old guy. That is the recipe for success.

I think you want someone who has the best statistical chance against the incumbent and based on polling, Biden fits the bill.
He has appeal with minorities that neither Warren or Pete possess. I agree, I'd be Warren>Pete>Sanders>various others>Biden but given the over-arching goal is removing Trump then Biden seems the logical choice.
Pete actually does the worst against Trump of all the top candidates https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...iden-6247.html

[Hectorjelly]

Not really.

I want Trump beaten. Which I think puts all of us on the same page.

Which means I want a Dem candidate that would appeal widely enough in the swing states to win. I've often pisted here that the ideal Dem candidate is from a mid-West or Southern state, centrist, young, military record, with good hair.

I've frequently said that Warren and Sanders look like wonderful candidates - from Europe. In America, they are simply too East Coast and too liberal (read 'socialist' in American terms). They won't fly in the swing states.

I understand your reasoning, but I think you're underestimating the american publics appetite for huge change, in either direction. The candidate you are advocating has a huge problem with black voters, that's much more of an issue for a Democratic candidate than the appearance of being too socialist. I don't think socialist is as much of a dirty word as it once used to be. Perhaps we'll get the new FDR.

[Raoul Duke III]

I understand your reasoning, but I think you're underestimating the american publics appetite for huge change, in either direction. The candidate you are advocating has a huge problem with black voters, that's much more of an issue for a Democratic candidate than the appearance of being too socialist. I don't think socialist is as much of a dirty word as it once used to be. Perhaps we'll get the new FDR.

Biden isn't 'change'. He was the future once.

He's a loser, failed multiple times to get the nomination and if the Dems are stupid enough to pick him, he'll lose again.

And his age will definitely be an issue.

[Raoul Duke III]

By the way, I think the issue of the Black vote is being overstated.

If it comes down to Trump vs Buttigieg, they'll vote the Dem ticket. It's not even a choice.

[DeadParrot]

By the way, I think the issue of the Black vote is being overstated.

If it comes down to Trump vs Buttigieg, they'll vote the Dem ticket. It's not even a choice.

Or they won't vote.

The Dem voter generally needs to fall in love with the candidate. The Republician voter falls in line.

[Hectorjelly]

Or they won't vote.

The Dem voter generally needs to fall in love with the candidate. The Republician voter falls in line.

Yeah, the important things is to energise your base and get everyone out voting.

[Raoul Duke III]

Or they won't vote.

The Dem voter generally needs to fall in love with the candidate. The Republician voter falls in line.

Well, seeing as we are specifically talking black voters, this is interesting:

[Raoul Duke III]

And 2008-16 obviously even more one-sided.

[Raoul Duke III]

Now, this is a cool map. Yeehar!

[Hectorjelly]

Its clear - White men shouldn't be allowed to vote!

[Guest]

Its clear - White men shouldn't be allowed to vote!

College educated white is the frightening part.

[Raoul Duke III]

College educated white is the frightening part.

People vote in their economic self-interest, shock horror.

[Guest]

People vote in their economic self-interest, shock horror.

Never said I was surprised, obviously unsurprised, that makes it no less frightening, as you said good graphic.

[ComradeCollie]

Can't see Biden beating this

[Guest]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4hn-G8o9y4

[Guest]

Boris getting a roasting here!

[Guest]

Now, this is a cool map. Yeehar!

a) Fuck them they deserve what ever the get
b) Stick some canned goods under the stairs!

People vote in their economic self-interest, shock horror.

There not though, vast majority gain nothing from GOP &
Dems would be centre-right-ish party in most parts of the world so it's not like the alternative is a hippie commune in Denmark

[bohsman]

So an openly gay candidate has a better chance than Warren or Biden? Not buying it.

[Strewelpeter]

If that's the direction they have to go to win they would be better off running Hillary again than Joe.

[thechamp87]

A much better form of cheating is much cruder, and will help bad players - extra tournament chips.

How does this work in reality? Dealers in on it and give players large denomination chips at breaks or later on? Has anyone been caught in there doing it? This will put me off playing EOMs and the festival.

[Raoul Duke III]

So an openly gay candidate has a better chance than Warren or Biden? Not buying it.

It's 2019 bohsy.

Now if he was female....

[Raoul Duke III]

Dems would be centre-right-ish party in most parts of the world so it's not like the alternative is a hippie commune in Denmark

This is very true. Like Obama would be well to the right of our political spectrum.

I do like the Trumpian argument that electing Dems gets you some hideous European socialist hellhole. Like Sweden.

[Raoul Duke III]

I think if you were a upper-income earner (like 150k+) in the US, living in a nice house and with decent exposure to the stock market through your 401k, you would be quite conflicted in terms of your vote.

Trump is clearly appalling and promotes some terrible policies. On the other hand, do I feel richer than ever? Fuck yes!

So it's possibly understandable when you see the way the college-educated vote breaks. Especially when the Dems turn off some of them with woke BS.

[bohsman]

It's 2019 bohsy.

Now if he was female....

Long way from 2019 in large parts of america. Buttigieg is Maltese so have been seeing updates on him for a while now. I think there's enough to beat him with for sacking the black police chief and the gay thing to stop any real momentum. Would be happy enough to be wrong as Biden is clearly a disaster.

[Guest]

[elbows]

https://twitter.com/vicbergeriv/status/1198030747103199233?s=21

[Hectorjelly]

How does this work in reality? Dealers in on it and give players large denomination chips at breaks or later on? Has anyone been caught in there doing it? This will put me off playing EOMs and the festival.

Staff members sell the chip to the players either before or during the tournament. Yes. I doubt it's a Fitz only occurance. Given there is no regulation unless players make a fuss about it operators won't overly concern themselves with it since it doesn't affect their bottom line.

[rounders123]

He will probably be playing home games soon enough inside with Joan Vickers murderer. Thats if he hasnt been released yet.

[The Situation]

Can't imagine big tourney numbers will be too good in the Fitz for the next while.

That's about the best job I've ever seen someone discredit a former employers integrity.

[hotspur]

Staff members sell the chip to the players either before or during the tournament. Yes. I doubt it's a Fitz only occurance. Given there is no regulation unless players make a fuss about it operators won't overly concern themselves with it since it doesn't affect their bottom line.

What did you try to do about it when you worked there?

[Hectorjelly]

What did you try to do about it when you worked there?

Quite a few things, but I was fighting a losing battle. All the work I did on it was done on my own time for no reward or thanks. A staff member was caught (having probably got away with it for years) due to my efforts, but was fired for more serious, unrelated issues around the same time, so it had no real effect.

[Denny Crane]

Signalling hands is a very ineffective way to cheat. First of all it's actually quite rare than it makes a difference in a poker hand if you know what two extra cards are - also in a tournament you have to be at the same table, and lastly you need to be a good player to actually take advantage of this information. If two bad players collude they aren't likely to become winning players. A much better form of cheating is much cruder, and will help bad players - extra tournament chips.

Saving chips from low entry tournaments?
They didn't do anything when they noticed missing chips?

[Denny Crane]

Was there any issues in cash games?

I used to play a bit in the Riverside in Drogheda. It turned out the dealers were over raking and dumping the chips back to their friends in table games.

When I heard about it, it made me think of a hand where I split a big pot, there was a lot of talk and disruption, when I got my chip stack back it looked light, I counted it, and the dealer was smiling at me. Wasn't confident enough to make an issue of it at the time.

[Denny Crane]

While the printer has been installed at Kildare House, it is not currently in use due to an industrial relations stand-off between the Oireachtas and staff tasked with using the machine, who argue they need to be remunerated for work that requires up-skilling.

It is also understood IT staff in the Oireachtas are reluctant to allow the printer to be granted requested server permissions in order for it to run.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/works-of-at-least-230-000-required-to-fit-printer-in-oireachtas-1.4092366?mode=amp

[Hectorjelly]

Saving chips from low entry tournaments?
They didn't do anything when they noticed missing chips?

Player can (and do) that themselves, and not really no. They only started recording the number of high denominations relatively recently.

[dobby]

Had a 2 hour tour of Mountjoy today. 4 of us shown round by one of the 3 Chief Officers and it was fantastic. I've done Kilmainham twice but being shown around a working prison was a lot different. Highlight was the old hang house and of course the main prison. Dont ever want to go back though.

[Hectorjelly]

Was there any issues in cash games?

I used to play a bit in the Riverside in Drogheda. It turned out the dealers were over raking and dumping the chips back to their friends in table games.

When I heard about it, it made me think of a hand where I split a big pot, there was a lot of talk and disruption, when I got my chip stack back it looked light, I counted it, and the dealer was smiling at me. Wasn't confident enough to make an issue of it at the time.

100%, if you play poker in Ireland regularly you are being overraked. It might be systematic, it might be dealer error or it might be dealer fraud but the end result is roughly the same.

[Denny Crane]

Player can (and do) that themselves, and not really no. They only started recording the number of high denominations relatively recently.

That's mad. Would have thought they'd have set storage racks and see effortlessly whether everything was correct.

[BallymoreChris]

100%, if you play poker in Ireland regularly you are being overraked. It might be systematic, it might be dealer error or it might be dealer fraud but the end result is roughly the same.

Rake in the Fitz is very low compared to casinos around Europe. And because they have a timed rake system in place anyone can see what’s being dropped every hour.
Rake is so low that’s it’s stopping competitors entering the Dublin City market.

Re other casinos attempting to stop cheating - I know for a fact that Deco and his pals were barred from the Jackpot for taking chips in low entry tournaments and introducing them in higher buyins. I’d be surprised if management in the Fitz were not aware of this.

[BallymoreChris]

Player can (and do) that themselves, and not really no. They only started recording the number of high denominations relatively recently.

This is incredible - so easy to add chips into then bigger tournaments or festivals but also the cash league final. That’s a €40k plus prize pool every two months and nobody would notice if chips were introduced.

Is the floor staff involved?
If so are they helping with seat draws and table brakes etc?

[Lazare]

That's mad. So easy to prevent. Different style chips etc, they obv dgaf once it's not affecting the bottom line.

Short sighted though, all it takes is word like this to affect the bottom line.

[Solksjaer!]

Ha . And people say online is rigged.

[Guest]

Had a 2 hour tour of Mountjoy today. 4 of us shown round by one of the 3 Chief Officers and it was fantastic. I've done Kilmainham twice but being shown around a working prison was a lot different. Highlight was the old hang house and of course the main prison. Dont ever want to go back though.

You on the next season of scared straight?