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    Betting out of turn.

    Just curious to know what the correct ruling for this situation is:

    9 handed nosy cash cash table playing very deep with a lot of money at stake.
    (I know this should not matter regarding the rules, I'm just building a picture )

    6 players see a flop and UTG checks, the next player does not act and the player to his left checks out of turn. The following player also checks and then the 4th player in the hand makes a bet.

    At this point the player who has missed his turn to act informs the dealer that he has not acted yet.

    What is the rule here re the player who has made the bet out of turn?
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    #2
    Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
    Just curious to know what the correct ruling for this situation is:

    9 handed nosy cash cash table playing very deep with a lot of money at stake.
    (I know this should not matter regarding the rules, I'm just building a picture )

    6 players see a flop and UTG checks, the next player does not act and the player to his left checks out of turn. The following player also checks and then the 4th player in the hand makes a bet.

    At this point the player who has missed his turn to act informs the dealer that he has not acted yet.

    What is the rule here re the player who has made the bet out of turn?
    The guy who has missed his action should really be paying more attention as 3 players have acted after him so its reasonable that he should be aware of this.

    As for the rule i would be of the idea that if the action has changed ie the guy who has missed his action and now bets that the guy who has acted and bet the flop can get the opportunity to take back the bet and reassess his option, if the guy who missed his action and now checks the person who bet will now have that bet stand.
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      #3
      Originally posted by tylerdurden94 View Post
      The guy who has missed his action should really be paying more attention as 3 players have acted after him so its reasonable that he should be aware of this.

      As for the rule i would be of the idea that if the action has changed ie the guy who has missed his action and now bets that the guy who has acted and bet the flop can get the opportunity to take back the bet and reassess his option, if the guy who missed his action and now checks the person who bet will now have that bet stand.
      This is what I would expect to be the case but apparently in some clubs its up to every player to watch whats going on and as a result the player who made the bet gets a penalty???
      The penalty being that if the action does not change they can only check and if there is a larger bet than the out of turn bet they can only call or fold (folding forfits the amount they had bet themselves)???

      Seemed a bit mad to me so was only checking was this anywhere else.
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        #4
        Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
        This is what I would expect to be the case but apparently in some clubs its up to every player to watch whats going on and as a result the player who made the bet gets a penalty???
        The penalty being that if the action does not change they can only check and if there is a larger bet than the out of turn bet they can only call or fold (folding forfits the amount they had bet themselves)???

        Seemed a bit mad to me so was only checking was this anywhere else.
        I would be pretty sure that would be along the lines of what should happen and maybe one of the TD's could have their say JP normally floats around here so would like to see his opinion on it.

        To me what actually happened as you say is absolutely ridiculous ruling! Where did this happen? Ive seen on a couple of occassions that a player would let the action pass them to see what happens and then go "eh i havent acted yet"

        These are from Roberts Rules of Poker

        11. Deliberately acting out of turn will not be tolerated. A player who checks out of turn may not bet or raise on the next turn to act. A player who has called out of turn may not change his wager to a raise on the next turn to act. An action or verbal declaration out of turn is binding unless the action to that player is subsequently changed by a bet or raise. If there is an intervening call, an action may be ruled binding.

        12. To retain the right to act, a player must stop the action by calling “time” (or an equivalent word). Failure to stop the action before three or more players have acted behind you may cause you to lose the right to act. You cannot forfeit your right to act if any player in front of you has not acted, only if you fail to act when it legally becomes your turn. Therefore, if you wait for someone whose turn comes before you, and three or more players act behind you, this still does not hinder your right to act.
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          #5
          Hi Chris,

          The player who has made the bet hasn't really acted out of turn. It's the 1st player who acted out of turn and he caused the other players to act behind him.

          Because 3 players have acted behind UTG+1 without him/her bring it to the dealers attention or saying STOP, I would deem his action to be just a check.

          The bet that was made from the 4th player stands and action continues as normal.
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            #6
            Originally posted by JP Poker View Post
            Hi Chris,

            The player who has made the bet hasn't really acted out of turn. It's the 1st player who acted out of turn and he caused the other players to act behind him.

            Because 3 players have acted behind UTG+1 without him/her bring it to the dealers attention or saying STOP, I would deem his action to be just a check.

            The bet that was made from the 4th player stands and action continues as normal.
            +1 to this

            Thats what i would be thinking in this particular situation as utg+1 has waited for 3/4 people to act before making it aware that he has missed his turn . It could be a genuine mistake or a total angleshoot .

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              #7
              Originally posted by JP Poker View Post
              Hi Chris,

              The player who has made the bet hasn't really acted out of turn. It's the 1st player who acted out of turn and he caused the other players to act behind him.

              Because 3 players have acted behind UTG+1 without him/her bring it to the dealers attention or saying STOP, I would deem his action to be just a check.

              The bet that was made from the 4th player stands and action continues as normal.
              I had never really seen or heard this done before, I asked Alex from the SE what would his ruling be and he said the same thing that the player had forfeited his action.
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                #8
                In this particular instance the out of turn "checks" happened pretty quickly, as they often do in a cash game.

                I think its pretty harsh to penalise they player who missed his turn but I can understand why you would.

                Anyway thanks for the responding.
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