Blinds 500/100, button raises to 2200 and get a call from the big blind. Button then laughs and asks the dealer for his 2nd card (obv he is last to be dealt and she had stopped 1 short). What happens next?
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Button is a clown. His hand is dead. I probably give him back his 2200 but the BB takes the SB and antes
edit - although folds aren't considered significant action, i would have given him his 2nd card if action had folded to him and he asked for his card before he raises. The fact he raised, i'd rule his hand dead
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Originally posted by 8611 View PostWhats wrong with dealing the button his card now?
Button is a clown btw.
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostButton is a clown. His hand is dead. I probably give him back his 2200 but the BB takes the SB and antes
edit - although folds aren't considered significant action, i would have given him his 2nd card if action had folded to him and he asked for his card before he raises. The fact he raised, i'd rule his hand dead﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
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The buttons hand isnt dead, he just gets his card and action continues as normal. imoLast edited by Lauralashes; 22-01-12, 03:34.
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hand is dead. button is acting the clown so his hand is dead. I remember reading a rule where the example was if a player played the hand blind, and at showdown had a joker (obv in a game that didn't use jokers), his hand was dead as it was his responsibility to look at his hand and make sure his cards weren't irregular. A guy acting with one card should have his hand declared dead.
Tbh I have no real sympathy here. Some cases you can give the guy his raise back and BB takes rest of the pot, but button was obviously trying to smart here so has no one to blame. His loses the full pot including his raise.
If button raised and got all folds and then declared he had only card, I'd give him the pot but give him a warning.
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Originally posted by Jam-Fly View Posthand is dead. button is acting the clown so his hand is dead. I remember reading a rule where the example was if a player played the hand blind, and at showdown had a joker (obv in a game that didn't use jokers), his hand was dead as it was his responsibility to look at his hand and make sure his cards weren't irregular. A guy acting with one card should have his hand declared dead.
Tbh I have no real sympathy here. Some cases you can give the guy his raise back and BB takes rest of the pot, but button was obviously trying to smart here so has no one to blame. His loses the full pot including his raise.
If button raised and got all folds and then declared he had only card, I'd give him the pot but give him a warning.
Don't agree that his hand is dead tho.
If i was utg while cards were being dealt, get an ace my first card, do I have to wait for my 2nd card to act?﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostI do agree that the button should not get his raise back.
Don't agree that his hand is dead tho.
If i was utg while cards were being dealt, get an ace my first card, do I have to wait for my 2nd card to act?
It's such a weird situation and one that should never really occur. The button is acting the maggot imo and therefore should have to live with the consequences. most grey areas come from genuine, honest mistakes, this was not the case here so I have no qualms about 'the interest of fairness' or any of that, guy knowingly raised with one card, hand is dead. If you allow him to play with one card, how do you deal? do you burn two cards since the top card should already be in play?
I can see a case being made for several courses of action but I think this is just one of those cases where the player should be punished. If the player on the button purposefully mucked one card, would he be allowed to play?
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Originally posted by Micknail View Post
"Another thing to consider is that if the player with three cards knows he has three cards and that he will get a refund if he raises and then later announces that he only has three cards he could use this as an angle and take it as a free-roll."
I think this has to be considered also, and for me is enough of a reason to rule the hand dead
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostI consider the fold of the SB and the call of the BB significant action.
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Originally posted by Jam-Fly View Posthand is dead. button is acting the clown so his hand is dead. I remember reading a rule where the example was if a player played the hand blind, and at showdown had a joker (obv in a game that didn't use jokers), his hand was dead as it was his responsibility to look at his hand and make sure his cards weren't irregular. A guy acting with one card should have his hand declared dead.
Tbh I have no real sympathy here. Some cases you can give the guy his raise back and BB takes rest of the pot, but button was obviously trying to smart here so has no one to blame. His loses the full pot including his raise.
If button raised and got all folds and then declared he had only card, I'd give him the pot but give him a warning.
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Originally posted by EnzoScifo View PostBlinds 500/100, button raises to 2200 and get a call from the big blind. Button then laughs and asks the dealer for his 2nd card (obv he is last to be dealt and she had stopped 1 short). What happens next?
Button asks for his card.
Dealer laughs and gives it to him with no problem.
Big Blind never even considers asking for a ruling but he did win considerably more on betting flop and turn.
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Originally posted by rachellen View PostA joker?? r u for real? wat about a player acting 'blind' , as in playing w/o looking at cards. r u saying that is illegal in the game?
If it folds to the button, he looks down and realises he only has one card, I'd allow him to be given his final card. However, since he acts, this changes the situation dramatically. He has acted knowing he has an irregular hand.
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostButton is a clown. His hand is dead. I probably give him back his 2200 but the BB takes the SB and antes
edit - although folds aren't considered significant action, i would have given him his 2nd card if action had folded to him and he asked for his card before he raises. The fact he raised, i'd rule his hand deadOriginally posted by Micknail View PostI consider the fold of the SB and the call of the BB significant action.
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostHe tried to be smart and take the hand down pre and then no doubt wave his one card in the air and say he won a hand with only 1 card etc. Once he gets called, he chickens out. It gets complicated if his hand isn't ruled dead. What if the BB raised allin? What would the rule be if the button had 3 cards? I'd just rule his hand dead as he acted with an incomplete hand and then called attention to itOriginally posted by Jam-Fly View Posthand is dead. button is acting the clown so his hand is dead. I remember reading a rule where the example was if a player played the hand blind, and at showdown had a joker (obv in a game that didn't use jokers), his hand was dead as it was his responsibility to look at his hand and make sure his cards weren't irregular. A guy acting with one card should have his hand declared dead.
Tbh I have no real sympathy here. Some cases you can give the guy his raise back and BB takes rest of the pot, but button was obviously trying to smart here so has no one to blame. His loses the full pot including his raise.
If button raised and got all folds and then declared he had only card, I'd give him the pot but give him a warning.
Although now that we know who villain is there is close to 0% chance he wasn't just being a smart arse. Still doesn't effect the fact that as he is the button his card is at the top of the deck and should be given to him.
It would only get complicated if the fact he has only one card is not noticed until after flop is dealt. Then I guess we just carry on with him playing one card.Turning millions into thousands
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Originally posted by Micknail View PostBB has flat called a raise. Sb has folded to a raise.
Imo, that's significant action.Originally posted by gorrrr72 View PostYou'r contradicting Flushdraw for something he didn't say, how can you not see this?
Originally posted by Strewelpeter View PostLOL @ this from two lads trying to pretend that they never raised without looking at their cards
Although now that we know who villain is there is close to 0% chance he wasn't just being a smart arse. Still doesn't effect the fact that as he is the button his card is at the top of the deck and should be given to him.
It would only get complicated if the fact he has only one card is not noticed until after flop is dealt. Then I guess we just carry on with him playing one card.
What if the player never looks at his hand until it gets to him and by that stage, UTG had raised, and got flatted in 2 places. Should the button still get his 2nd card? What if he decided to call blind and only noticed after the flop was dealt that he only had one card. In the example, what if the dealer was quick and dealt the turn before Mark called for his 2nd card. There has to be a limit somewhere and imo, the best all around rule is that if the player has acted before confirming that he has 2 cards, then his hand should be ruled dead.
I'm not sure i like the idea of being allowed to play on with 1 card, because in 99% of places you need to show 2 cards to claim the pot. There's no doubting at all that the top card on deck is his and that the dealer stopped one card short but the player should have been paying attention and noticed it straight away imo
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostYeah think you're missing the point a little Micknail. The significant action only happened after the player with one card acted, so it's null and void in this situation.
Yeah i've raised many times without looking at my cards, but if i ever noticed that i only had one card, i'd keep it to myself and not ask for my 2nd card at any stage. The reason i'd rule his hand dead is because where do we draw the line?
What if the player never looks at his hand until it gets to him and by that stage, UTG had raised, and got flatted in 2 places. Should the button still get his 2nd card? What if he decided to call blind and only noticed after the flop was dealt that he only had one card. In the example, what if the dealer was quick and dealt the turn before Mark called for his 2nd card. There has to be a limit somewhere and imo, the best all around rule is that if the player has acted before confirming that he has 2 cards, then his hand should be ruled dead.
I'm not sure i like the idea of being allowed to play on with 1 card, because in 99% of places you need to show 2 cards to claim the pot. There's no doubting at all that the top card on deck is his and that the dealer stopped one card short but the player should have been paying attention and noticed it straight away imo
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Originally posted by gorrrr72 View PostYou'r contradicting Flushdraw for something he didn't say, how can you not see this?
@Jamfly, prove to me how you knew the Button acted knowing he only had one card.
In terms of tournament poker, I would much prefer the hand to be played out to a conclusion.﴾͡๏̯͡๏﴿
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Originally posted by Keane View PostNobody's made a decent argument for him not to be given the card that's clearly his from the top of the deck besides that he should be punished for being a smartass.
Clearly just give him his card.
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just being ridiculous, rulings for rulings sake. As a TD I would laugh off any attempt to do otherwise, get a grip lads!
Obviously if he waiting until the flop was dealt it would be different.
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