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    Two Zoom Hands 25NL

    hi

    I folded river because i did not feel like any on his value range that I beat bets the river (eg KX) And His bluffing range seemed small also (AQd, ATd)

    PokerStars Zoom Hand #83135461950: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2012/07/10 21:45:51 WET [2012/07/10 16:45:51 ET]
    Table 'Dagmar' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: HERO ($37.98 in chips)
    Seat 2: ppett ($20.65 in chips)
    Seat 3: bandit-den ($26.20 in chips)
    Seat 4: totte1992 ($44.96 in chips)
    Seat 5: grunnie ($19.12 in chips)
    Seat 6: MackTheTemp ($51.05 in chips)
    ppett: posts small blind $0.10
    bandit-den: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [Ah Ac]
    totte1992: folds
    grunnie: folds
    MackTheTemp: folds
    HERO: raises $0.50 to $0.75
    ppett: folds
    bandit-den: calls $0.50
    *** FLOP *** [Jd 9c Ks]
    bandit-den: checks
    HERO: bets $1.14
    bandit-den: calls $1.14
    *** TURN *** [Jd 9c Ks] [6d]
    bandit-den: checks
    HERO: bets $2.78
    bandit-den: calls $2.78
    *** RIVER *** [Jd 9c Ks 6d] [Jh]
    bandit-den: bets $6
    HERO: folds
    Uncalled bet ($6) returned to bandit-den
    bandit-den collected $9.02 from pot
    bandit-den: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $9.44 | Rake $0.42
    Board [Jd 9c Ks 6d Jh]
    Seat 1: HERO (button) folded on the River
    Seat 2: ppett (small blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: bandit-den (big blind) collected ($9.02)
    Seat 4: totte1992 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: grunnie folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: MackTheTemp folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    I considered just going all in on river!?. I folded because river check raises are the nuts or what he perceives as nuts and I dont think that includes Trips or 2 pair.

    PokerStars Zoom Hand #83135669087: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2012/07/10 21:49:32 WET [2012/07/10 16:49:32 ET]
    Table 'Dagmar' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: bedas14 ($37.02 in chips)
    Seat 2: schmuggel15 ($26.43 in chips)
    Seat 3: Feriboy ($68.58 in chips)
    Seat 4: simongibbs ($57.51 in chips)
    Seat 5: aapokerkk1 ($43.57 in chips)
    Seat 6: HERO ($25 in chips)
    schmuggel15: posts small blind $0.10
    Feriboy: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to HERO [Qd As]
    simongibbs: folds
    aapokerkk1: raises $0.50 to $0.75
    HERO: calls $0.75
    bedas14: folds
    schmuggel15: calls $0.65
    Feriboy: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Kh 8s Jc]
    schmuggel15: checks
    aapokerkk1: bets $1.25
    HERO: calls $1.25
    schmuggel15: folds
    *** TURN *** [Kh 8s Jc] [Tc]
    aapokerkk1: checks
    HERO: bets $3.58
    aapokerkk1: calls $3.58
    *** RIVER *** [Kh 8s Jc Tc] [Td]
    aapokerkk1: checks
    HERO: bets $6.25
    aapokerkk1: raises $29.50 to $35.75
    HERO: folds
    Uncalled bet ($29.50) returned to aapokerkk1
    aapokerkk1 collected $23.55 from pot
    aapokerkk1: doesn't show hand
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $24.66 | Rake $1.11
    Board [Kh 8s Jc Tc Td]
    Seat 1: bedas14 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 2: schmuggel15 (small blind) folded on the Flop
    Seat 3: Feriboy (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 4: simongibbs folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: aapokerkk1 collected ($23.55)
    Seat 6: HERO folded on the River

    #2
    Edited according to advice in sticky....

    PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    saw flop

    Hero (Button) ($37.98)
    SB ($20.65)
    BB ($26.20)
    UTG ($44.96)
    MP ($19.12)
    CO ($51.05)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, A
    3 folds, Hero bets $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.60) J, 9, K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.14, BB calls $1.14

    Turn: ($3.88) 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $2.78, BB calls $2.78

    SPOILER
    River: ($9.44) J (2 players)
    BB bets $6, Hero folds

    Total pot: $9.44 | Rake: $0.42

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      #3
      Not much of an online player but don't think I'd be folding the second one. Too many know that check-shoving for more than the pot like that is considered the nuts. First one looks like an ok fold, but I'd call it a decent % of the time. I'm a fish tho.

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        #4
        Yay for cash hands! Thanks for posting, please post some more any time.


        First one I pay him off 100% here but fair play for having the discipline to fold. It is a fold without reads.

        Second one I'm not folding. If he's got a full house here then he's an idiot. I never assume my opponent is an idiot.
        "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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          #5
          Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
          Yay for cash hands! Thanks for posting, please post some more any time.


          First one I pay him off 100% here but fair play for having the discipline to fold. It is a fold without reads.

          Second one I'm not folding. If he's got a full house here then he's an idiot. I never assume my opponent is an idiot.
          Hand 2, why does him having a full house make him an idiot? He has had to have played something strangely to end up with a full house, but I can't see how it makes him an idiot. In fact since the OP floated him so lightly, he actually took a really good line against what is a weak range.

          Hand 1 I'd call sometimes, it's opponent dependent.

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            #6
            Oh I thought hero was the agressor on the flop. Anyway, not raising two-pair or trips on the turn is a big mistake, is it not?
            "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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              #7
              Thanks for replies.

              Hand 1:
              I doubt he value leads river with KQ here. So I don't think he has a value range that I beat when he leads river. (thoughts?). Also - I could not put him on many bluffs. So I folded.

              Hand 2:

              I feel hand 2 is closer. It feels like he can have AA here, and check raises river for value against a perceived range of KX, counterfeited 2 pair, bluffs. I am getting better than 3:1 - he can have worse 25% of time?

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                #8
                Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
                Oh I thought hero was the agressor on the flop. Anyway, not raising two-pair or trips on the turn is a big mistake, is it not?
                I don't see why, especially bottom two or something similar

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by AmarilloFats View Post
                  Thanks for replies.

                  Hand 1:
                  I doubt he value leads river with KQ here. So I don't think he has a value range that I beat when he leads river. (thoughts?). Also - I could not put him on many bluffs. So I folded.
                  Some players (mostly bad) will lead a King here. I don't know if the standard is bad enough on Zoom to call.

                  Hand 2:

                  Originally posted by AmarilloFats View Post
                  I feel hand 2 is closer. It feels like he can have AA here, and check raises river for value against a perceived range of KX, counterfeited 2 pair, bluffs. I am getting better than 3:1 - he can have worse 25% of time?
                  I think its a bit of a stretch to think someone is check raising AA here against a counterfeited two pair

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                    #10
                    Hand 1.

                    I probably fold. Its annoying but I think you see a Jack far too often when you call

                    Hand 2.

                    I find it hard to fold this one tbh. As a value line its a bit strange but when I think about it is he really shoving worse? I probably call and fml when I see KT or JT. He could have AQ either for the chop. I suppose when you call you are hoping he has AT or QT which are both entirely possible given how the hand played out

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                      #11
                      Hand 1 would be a very weird spot for him to bluff, you look really strong and i cant see him trying to get you off a hand at this stage, he probably donked the river for fear of you checking your one pair hands behind him and him losing some value. Good fold imo.

                      Hand 2 is close aswell but what do we beat here? AK, KJ, AJ. Would any of these likely bluff shove the river when you've shown so much strength throughout? Yeah him not betting or c/r the turn with a set or two pair would be weird here, but not completely uncommon. It would be weirder for him to show up with anything you beat on the river.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post
                        I don't see why, especially bottom two or something similar
                        The board is wet, our opponent's continuing range is wide, and we beat most of it. Can't see any reason not to raise turn once he bets even with bottom two (although I seriously doubt he donks with or even ever holds T8 here.
                        "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by AndyFatBastard View Post
                          The board is wet, our opponent's continuing range is wide, and we beat most of it. Can't see any reason not to raise turn once he bets even with bottom two (although I seriously doubt he donks with or even ever holds T8 here.
                          You overplay your hand with TJ if you raise here. Leading out with two pair would be a lot more common, but it's not that unusual to check call with two pair here. In fact you need to balance your check calling range in spots like this, and TJ here is a great hand to do it with since its relatively strong, but no way near strong enough to be happy getting it in.

                          If you just have a check call range of onepair/nuts you are very easy to play against.

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