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    Can you call clock here?

    ok so this happened in the Aussie millions main event studio table over the week. It was just before the end of day 2. There was about 6 minutes left of play for the day and the TD on duty announced that regardless of the clock each table would play 5 more hands that day, effectively pausing the clock. Then a hand developed on one of the tables that involved a long delay in someone's action as he thought about his move. Clock was called on him and the usual procedure was followed.

    Now my question is that if the clock has been paused indefinitely can or should clock be bale to be called on a player?

    Another example might be if it was hand for hand just before the bubble and the clock was paused during this period...

    #2
    Originally posted by Mormank View Post
    Now my question is that if the clock has been paused indefinitely can or should clock be bale to be called on a player?

    Another example might be if it was hand for hand just before the bubble and the clock was paused during this period...
    I don't see why not. Even if the tourney clock isn't running, a player taking too much time is still taking time from everyone else in the tourney. Give someone sufficient time to make a decision a call the clock if he's abusing the privilege.

    -Oz-

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      #3
      I don't think it's unreasonable to expect hands to play out in a reasonable amount of time regardless of whether or not there is a clock running. E.g. players can (and do) call clock at a cash table.

      I think it would be "bad form" to call clock in such situation (especially if it's a tournament life decision) but really if you can't make a decision inside of (for example) 5 minutes then I see nothing wrong with calling for the clock.

      In hand for hand it's a little trickier because you are in fact holding up action for the entire tournament. I have no issues with calling clock after a reasonable amount of time here either.

      This is just my interpretation though. I don't think there is anything clear cut in any of the rule sets to cover these (presumably) rare situations.
      May you live in interesting times!

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        #4
        Originally posted by -Oz- View Post
        I don't see why not. Even if the tourney clock isn't running, a player taking too much time is still taking time from everyone else in the tourney. Give someone sufficient time to make a decision a call the clock if he's abusing the privilege.

        -Oz-
        well in this scenario what are they taking besides resting time between days perhaps. However would you think that in this scenario they should be given more time if neccesary. There was one hand just before a break on day two where the hand in total lasted roughly fifteen mins and after the player had pushed all in on the river the opposite player took literally tens mins to finally make the call...nobody called clock here and it was even the player's tournie life, it was roughly 30% of his stack. In the original scenario it was a player's tournie life

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          #5
          Originally posted by bp_me View Post
          I don't think it's unreasonable to expect hands to play out in a reasonable amount of time regardless of whether or not there is a clock running. E.g. players can (and do) call clock at a cash table.

          I think it would be "bad form" to call clock in such situation (especially if it's a tournament life decision) but really if you can't make a decision inside of (for example) 5 minutes then I see nothing wrong with calling for the clock.

          In hand for hand it's a little trickier because you are in fact holding up action for the entire tournament. I have no issues with calling clock after a reasonable amount of time here either.

          This is just my interpretation though. I don't think there is anything clear cut in any of the rule sets to cover these (presumably) rare situations.
          Don't most cash games these days have an hourly rate of sorts, whether it be through raking the pot of a seat charge? Therefore if someone is taking a very long time in a hand it will cut into their expected hand per hour for their dollar...

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            #6
            I wouldn't do it as it wouldn't bother me.
            But I would see it as bad form if somebody else did it. I imagine a little bit more time would be allowed (than if the clock was running) before a clock was called anyway, which is enough imo.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Mormank View Post
              Don't most cash games these days have an hourly rate of sorts, whether it be through raking the pot of a seat charge? Therefore if someone is taking a very long time in a hand it will cut into their expected hand per hour for their dollar...
              I know some have an hourly rate.

              Any I have dealt have been rake per pot.
              May you live in interesting times!

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                #8
                Originally posted by bp_me View Post
                I know some have an hourly rate.

                Any I have dealt have been rake per pot.
                Hourly rate is more common. And I'm not talkign about a table charge, I mean the pots are raked up to X% and the dealer needs to rake, say, 7 euro per person per hour


                also, even if it was a flat rake per pot, regardless of time. A player could still call clock in a cash game as it is cuttign into his hourly rate.

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                  #9
                  alright so guys i think the general consensus seems to be that in this scenario a little bit more leeway should be given but not too much all the same! It just seemed like something that hadnt actualy been discussed before which is rare in rules and rulings so i posted here for opinions. My own opinion would be that clock can still be called however in this scenario i would never be the guy to do so!

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                    #10
                    Why is the clock such a sensitive issue? I mean, it's part of the game. You can call clock at any stage after a reasonable amount of time has elapsed. It's the rules of poker. People use it as a strategy to force unsure decisions and the like. They use it to tilt tilters etc. IMHO, in casino poker the action has to move fast for the game to be 'good',
                    C

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mormank View Post
                      ok so this happened in the Aussie millions main event studio table over the week. It was just before the end of day 2. There was about 6 minutes left of play for the day and the TD on duty announced that regardless of the clock each table would play 5 more hands that day, effectively pausing the clock. Then a hand developed on one of the tables that involved a long delay in someone's action as he thought about his move. Clock was called on him and the usual procedure was followed.

                      Now my question is that if the clock has been paused indefinitely can or should clock be bale to be called on a player?

                      Another example might be if it was hand for hand just before the bubble and the clock was paused during this period...
                      there is no reason why a player shouldnt be able to call clock here,
                      once a player has sufficient time to decide, i.e. a minute or so, maybe even as much as 3 mins, whatever the dealer or TD decides is a reasonable amount, then a player can have clock called on them
                      the fact that the clock is suspended in this case is irrelevant,
                      sometimes clock is called by a player to force a hasty decision or simply because the player is ticked off due to this delayer constantly delaying decisions
                      particularly if a player wants a call, is my usual finding

                      the simple answer is
                      the clock can be called if this situation occurs as you posted

                      Kamal
                      No, we dont insist on veils all the time, sometime we like rubber masks too

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