interesting decision ukipt

[CarlowPoker]

played in nothingham last week

guy raises pre
i call with 66

flop 6 10 A

i make it 700 (18 k stack)
he calls (30k stack)

turn 2 no flush draws

he bets staright out for 4k
i flat call

he turns over his cards set of 10`s he thaught we were on the river.
im delighted obviously as he was getting all my chips on the river

The TD decision was unusual i thaught, he said the guy could still raise/call or fold on the river. I would have thaught that he could only call or fold ( in this case it didnt really mater to me but was unsre that the ruling was perfect)

[Guest]

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U wer right in thinkn its unusual paul, same thing happened to me a couple of weeks ago in the new casino in kk! The person that makes the mistake loses his option to bet he can now only call/fold! Same sort of situation the mistake also saved me being stacked off

[Flushdraw]

The guy can only check, call or fold. He can't raise

[tylerdurden94]

The guy can only check, call or fold. He can't raise

The guy should only be able to do what Tony has said.

[TM2204]

The guy can only check, call or fold. He can't raise

100% this.

You would imagine the TD at something like the UKIPT would be getting this right

[doke]

Some of the local TDs were terrible, heard of quite a few bizarre decisions. One involving Patricia McLean: she was small blind. The BB forgot to put out his BB and folded, thinking he was utg. Someone else raised. Then it was spotted that there was no BB. TD's decision was Patricia had to be the BB again this hand! After she'd folded.

[Dice75]

Some of the local TDs were terrible, heard of quite a few bizarre decisions. One involving Patricia McLean: she was small blind. The BB forgot to put out his BB and folded, thinking he was utg. Someone else raised. Then it was spotted that there was no BB. TD's decision was Patricia had to be the BB again this hand! After she'd folded.

[CarlowPoker]

I felt it was the wrong decision, but didnt say anything at the time. had it happened on the flop it would have made a bigger difference to me.

[Ruaction]

Seems odd, it is lucky that it was immaterial to you on this occasion I suppose.
+1 that some of the local staff made poor decisions. I would say that if ever there was a case that you felt a ruling was poor, don't be afraid to calmly but clearly ask for a ruling from the head TD as mistakes do happen. I think Toby always makes good and consistent rulings, and people generally won't mind you standing your ground so long as you keep your head about it.

[doke]

Seems odd, it is lucky that it was immaterial to you on this occasion I suppose.
+1 that some of the local staff made poor decisions. I would say that if ever there was a case that you felt a ruling was poor, don't be afraid to calmly but clearly ask for a ruling from the head TD as mistakes do happen. I think Toby always makes good and consistent rulings, and people generally won't mind you standing your ground so long as you keep your head about it.

+1. Toby is the best TD around imo, it's always an immense relief to see him on location: if all the decisions were his there wouldn't be a problem but if you think someone further down the chain is making a bad ruling, you have to be prepared to diplomatically go over their head.

[JP Poker]

Hi Guys,

I wasn't there myself, but I'm fairly certain that this is the correct ruling applied at all UKIPT's

I don't have a UKIPT rule set at hand. Toby is in Spain at the moment but I'll let him know about this thread and see what he has to say.

[CarlowPoker]

cheers JP will be interesting to get his opinion

[Wolves]

Why does it matter if he can bet again or not? His hand is face up. I'd love it if everyone turned their hands up and they could bet as much as they wanted.

[Gowl]

if two cards are exposed, I don't think it really matters if he is allowed raise or not (because obviously raising is an infinitely -EV (well unless u want to do the treble bluff of inducing your opponent to reraise-bluff you and snap call him off :P)), but I think the rule is, he can't raise (but again, it's a bit of a pointless rule).

If villain exposed ONE card, this is where the rule has got to be enforced. If he exposed one card, and was still allowed raise here, then that is a terrible ruling.

As it played out, it's technically a wrong ruling, but it's not too big a deal either way imo.



(also, for the record, I think players should be allowed expose cards if heads up. I think it adds a good psychological factor to the game. However, I can understand from a functionality point of view why TDs rather not implement the rule)

[nismo9]

Why does he lose the bet/raise option?

[doggindonkey]

going slightly off the point..

if a hand is exposed before the river, unless all in, is the hand not dead?
I thought that was a common ruling if a hand is declared or exposed in a tournament.
The player may have been looking for a tell etc
Obviously in the scenario detailed by the OP, the player was excited with his hand and turned it over with a head rush.

[Jaysoose]

How sweet would it have been if the last 6 peeled off on the river....

[badugi]

Hi Guys,

I wasn't there myself, but I'm fairly certain that this is the correct ruling applied at all UKIPT's

I don't have a UKIPT rule set at hand. Toby is in Spain at the moment but I'll let him know about this thread and see what he has to say.

same happened at ukipt Cork this week in the 6max game and dealer said the only option player with exposed cards had was to call or fold. (he had only shown one card! thinking it was at show down on the turn)

OKAY im trying to think was this in the 6max or a ring game after! would it make a difference anyway!?

EDIT: maybe its different ruling as he had only shown one of his cards.