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    Player exposes hand to get read cashgame

    Hows it goin lads,

    I was playing a 1/2 cash game in a pub during the week, i put the triple straddle on for twenty
    and there is 3 callers before i act, i push all inn for another 100 with a weak hand.

    The two callers fold and the last guy tables his hand but hasnt declared his intention and starts asking me do
    i have a pair and and all that.

    Is his hand dead when he tables it? ive seen them showing one card on high stakes poker, the dealer who apparently is experienced never said
    anything and i forgot to ask at the time.

    Thanks
    Last edited by OasisKid; 26-03-11, 15:16.

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    Originally posted by OasisKid View Post
    Hows it goin lads,

    I was playing a 1/2 cash game in a pub during the week, i put the triple straddle on for twenty
    and there is 3 callers before i act, i push all inn for another 100 with a weak hand.

    The two callers fold and the last guy tables his hand but hasnt declared his intention and starts asking me do
    i have a pair and and all that.

    Is his hand dead when he tables it? ive seen them showing one card on high stakes poker, the dealer who apparently is experienced never said
    anything and i forgot to ask at the time.

    Thanks
    I know there is certain times/places where this is allowed but I am not a fan of this, I would like to think that his hand would be declared dead.
    "you raise, i kill you" El Tren :{)

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      #3
      As long as there's no action left to take place other than his call or fold, I think this is fine.
      "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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        #4
        He folded in the end, He had my 5 dominated too

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          #5
          As long as the hand is heads-up it's allowed in many American casino's if it's a cash game. Tournament is not allowed afaik.
          Not sure what they do around here though.

          + the person who has exposed his hand loses all betting or raising options.
          Last edited by curleywurley; 27-03-11, 17:07.

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            #6
            "The Villian" has recently read Super System2

            SPOILER
            The Bucko Doyle wrote he does this sometimes on the river when he has a strong hand and a decision

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              #7
              Location of this pub please.

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                #8
                Kingscourt, Cavan

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                  #9
                  different rules in different places.

                  Some places, once u show ur hand to anyone, ur hand is dead. Other places, if it's heads up, u can show ur hand.

                  In this case, since the dealer did not indicate his hand is dead, u should assume that at this venue, it allows it (then confirm after the hand what the rule is)

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                    #10
                    I think it should be fine in these circumstances.

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                      #11
                      Id hate to see this banned heads up.
                      whats the verdict n the clubs around here in cash?
                      I know it shouldnt be allowed in tournies. I also think since in tournies you can say any hand but what you actually have, id like if you could show just one card for a reaction... Is that allowed?

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                        #12
                        Consult the rules in the establishment. Also lol at villain

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by badugi View Post
                          Id hate to see this banned heads up.
                          whats the verdict n the clubs around here in cash?
                          I know it shouldnt be allowed in tournies. I also think since in tournies you can say any hand but what you actually have, id like if you could show just one card for a reaction... Is that allowed?
                          The practice of exposing cards in a cash game heads-up is severely frowned upon but from my experience only results in a warning for the offending player.

                          I saw Luke Ivory, some years ago in the merrion, convincing a player who had exposed his cards in a similar fashion, to fold them, on the basis that his actions were very much against the etiquette of the game and gave that player an unfair advantage. However the exposed hand wasn't declared dead as i recall.

                          Exposing cards in this manner should be outlawed in my opinion as currently there isn't anything to stop every Tom, Dick and Harry abusing the rule in this situation and looking for a possible read from their opponent. The fact that 99% of players wouldn't resort to this is irrelevant. There should be a definitive rule to protect against this eventuality.
                          "Let your boat of life be light, packed with only what you need - a homely home and simple pleasures, one or two friends, worth the name, someone to love and someone to love you, a cat, a dog, and a pipe or two, enough to eat and enough to wear, and a little more than enough to drink; for thirst is a dangerous thing." Jerome K. Jerome Three men in a Boat

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                            #14
                            Happened to me in a cash game in Vegas.

                            I made a big be on the river. The guy turned over his cards when we were heads up and I thought his hand was dead. I ended up giving away some info. about my hand and the guy calls with middle pair and I had SFA.

                            I thought you could talk about your hand once heads up but not actually flip over the cards.

                            Lesson learned but I think it is very bad form.
                            His rival it seems, had broken his dreams,By stealing the girl of his fancy.Her name was Magill, and she called herself Lil,But everyone knew her as Nancy.

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                              #15
                              I think it's a fun rule.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by GingerMilla View Post
                                Exposing cards in this manner should be outlawed in my opinion as currently there isn't anything to stop every Tom, Dick and Harry abusing the rule in this situation and looking for a possible read from their opponent. The fact that 99% of players wouldn't resort to this is irrelevant. There should be a definitive rule to protect against this eventuality.
                                TBH, that's very much relevant. I have no problem with the rule.
                                The type of palyer that try to pull this off are, in general, not very skilled players.

                                While its not good manners, I'm happy to let these players try it as I'm confident that they aren't going to pick up a huge tell, anything they do pick up is just as likely to be a reverse, and I've basically just gotten free info.

                                A player tried this before at a pub game, he got his" tell' and promptly called announcing how he could read me. I flip a better hand. "Nice tell". He gets a warning and misses a hands or two

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                                  #17
                                  just seen brian townsend do it in high stakes paoker against paul wascika, it was allowed.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                                    TBH, that's very much relevant. I have no problem with the rule.
                                    The type of palyer that try to pull this off are, in general, not very skilled players.
                                    This.

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