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Old 01-03-10, 18:07   #61
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yeah, I don't really know why I posted it, whats a good calling range here vs a limp reraise?

Eventually got all his chips on Ahi flop with AQs vs A9o
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Old 03-03-10, 16:32   #62
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Thoughts on this hand?

Felt the BB 3bet was a squeeze, so put in a small 4bet IP.

Bet a good chunk of the pot on the flop, repping big overpair.

Shut down as soon as called, checked back the turn, folding unless an A or Q hits.

Standard?

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SB ($13.09)
BB ($8.41)
UTG ($5.28)
Hero (MP) ($13.90)
CO ($3.67)
Button ($14.68)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q
1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, Button calls $0.17, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.80

Flop: ($3.19) 9, 4, 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.88, BB calls $1.88

Turn: ($6.95) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($6.95) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $5.03 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $6.95 | Rake: $0.46

Results:
BB didn't show
Outcome: BB won $6.49
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Old 03-03-10, 16:36   #63
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I prefer to flat the sqz and almost never 4-bet AQ. Were you calling a shove? If not its v. bad. I hate when people call 4bets; I think I would check it back and give up here. Most of his range isn't folding to a bet on the flop.
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Old 03-03-10, 16:40   #64
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4bet/folding to a shove.

His call convinces me he has QQ at best.
I'm IP, and we're both reasonably deep. (Rush Poker so no stats)
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Old 03-03-10, 16:43   #65
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4bet/folding to a shove.

His call convinces me he has QQ at best.
I'm IP, and we're both reasonably deep. (Rush Poker so no stats)
Oh thought it was 10nl. I still think 4b folding is completely wasting the value of the hand and your position. I would want a read before I try and get anyone off an overpair particularly at micro stakes.
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Old 03-03-10, 16:46   #66
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Call that pre all day


If it was 100bbs and i knew he was v squeezy I would just shove.
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Old 03-03-10, 17:08   #67
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4bet/folding to a shove.

His call convinces me he has QQ at best.
I'm IP, and we're both reasonably deep. (Rush Poker so no stats)
Latest version of HM shows stats now btw.
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Old 03-03-10, 20:46   #68
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Latest version of HM shows stats now btw.
O RLY? I'm off to grab that now.
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Old 05-03-10, 13:49   #69
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Lol, this is why you shouldn't 4-table rush poker when exhausted.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($112.35)
UTG ($100)
MP ($101.40)
CO ($129.95)
Button ($109.15)
SB ($145.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, J
4 folds, SB bets $2, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($5) 8, 9, Q (2 players)
SB bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

Turn: ($11.50) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8

River: ($27.50) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $19, SB raises $131.45 (All-In), Hero calls $79.60 (All-In)

Total pot: $224.70

Results:
SB had 6, 7 (straight, nine high).
Hero had 7, J (high card, Queen).
Outcome: SB won $254.55

I was planning on floating with the gutshot. Turned the FD as well. For some crazy reason my brain told me I had hit the straight on the river.

And it wasn't some snap call either...... I timed down going through the villains play. I figured there was very little chance that J10 was in his range, so made the call to either split or win. lol, the shock on my face when I saw the pot going his way... couldn't figure it out
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Old 05-03-10, 22:25   #70
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3 payed

500,280,170

Btn shoves 34k, sb all in 30k, bb playing 110k. blinds 4k-8k

BB call with any two i assume thats ok or should he just let them fight it out?
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Old 05-03-10, 23:39   #71
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Wow, what a cooler of an evening session.



To be fair, I can't really complain, been running pretty well the last few days . Not above the EV line mind you, just not getting sucked out on or coolered so much.

Well, that all changed in the evening session
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Old 08-03-10, 10:10   #72
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Why I love suited one gappers :)

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($100)
Hero (CO) ($354.75)
Button ($35)
SB ($449.95)
BB ($147.90)
UTG ($99)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 6
2 folds, Hero bets $3.50, Button raises $7, 1 fold, BB calls $6, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($21.50) 5, 3, 7 (3 players)
BB bets $7, Hero calls $7, Button raises $28 (All-In), BB calls $21, Hero raises $67, BB raises $112.90 (All-In), Hero calls $66.90

Turn: ($331.30) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($331.30) A (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $331.30

Results:
Button had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
BB had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
Hero had 4, 6 (straight, seven high).
Outcome: Hero won $328.30
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Old 09-03-10, 18:33   #73
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Line/Nit check..

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MP ($2.43)
CO ($2.57)
Button ($6.52)
Hero (SB) ($10.72)
BB ($4.97)
UTG ($4.86)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 8
3 folds, Button bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.39) 3, 2, K (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1.21, Button calls $0.86

Turn: ($2.81) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, Button raises to $3, Hero folds

Total pot: $4.81 | Rake: $0.32

Results below:
Button didn't show
Outcome: Button won $4.49



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BB ($3.72)
UTG ($13.30)
Hero (MP) ($10.70)
CO ($3.18)
Button ($5.09)
SB ($6.93)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 10
1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, Button calls $0.17, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.56) 10, A, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.76, Hero folds

Total pot: $1.36 | Rake: $0.09

Results below:
SB didn't show
Outcome: SB won $1.27



First one standard? Second hand, I'm trying to stop bleeding money when I'm raised. I find myself thinking "they're bluffing" far more than I'm thinking I'm beat. I've been trying to restrict my calling of raises to when I have fairly nutty hands.

What do you think?
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Old 09-03-10, 18:46   #74
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Hand 1: I probably mix it up between 3betting and calling. I prefer 3betting though. Flop is fine. Bet more on the the turn like 1.75.

Hand 2: Im definetly peeling and seeing a turn. worst possible scenerio you have 4 outs and he could easily be semibluffing.
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Old 09-03-10, 19:01   #75
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Ok, so hand 2 seems crazy nitty when I stove it.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

11,880 games 0.005 secs 2,376,000 games/sec

Board: Ad Td 6d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 37.416% 36.66% 00.76% 4355 90.00 { AcTc }
Hand 1: 62.584% 61.83% 00.76% 7345 90.00 { TT, 66, KdQd, KdJd, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs, KdJc, KdJh, KdJs }

should I be calling here, and firing every non diamond / non 6 turn?
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Old 09-03-10, 19:21   #76
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


I FCKING HATE POKER. It's fcking bullshit. Ya, I'm running bad. But since I started playing cash (last 6 months really) I've had 3 periods where I ran -20 BIs below EV. Last 3 days being the third time.
The most I've ever run above the EV line is 4/5 BIs. Its not right I tell ya, not fcking right.

/vent
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Old 09-03-10, 19:35   #77
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for shits and giggles

Below are the hands where the money went all in before all the cards were down. Just gives a bit of an insight into how it goes for me.



Obviously this doesn't tell the full story either.

Honestly, I'm actually gutted. 3 days ago I had $3k in my FT account from an initial deposit of $600. Now I'm back down to $850 as the last two days of running -10BIs below EV each time was following on from a horrendous cooler session on Sunday where I dropped a load of BIs as well.

In that 22BI downswing I would say I only played badly in one or two hands due to tilt. Only one big one.

I need some god damn upswings ffs.

EDIT: I'm taking a week off.

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Old 09-03-10, 23:52   #78
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Emmet

Hand 1 - Fold pre flop unless you've a reason to believe 3-betting is good but you'd need a specific reason, 99/100 just fold, calling in the SB there isn't going to show a profit. I don't really like the flop check raise, we don't wanna get all the money in and it'd suck if we get moved in on plus we don't rep a whole lot but I guess that isn't that important at 5nl, but I don't think he bet/folds enough. Turn comes pretty crap to barrel, very unlikely he's folding here, if I was to fire again I'd bet more than 1/3 pot because even a bad player will realise that's weakness but I'd probably check. As played the fold is fine, but the previous streets are the the big decision points.

Hand 2 - Read dependent, you must have some idea of their play or is this rush? If this is rush I'm definitely not folding, either getting it in on the flop or calling with the idea of getting it in on a brick turn but I'm definitely not folding.
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Old 10-03-10, 01:06   #79
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This felt good! I'm CO. Villain is 12/10 or something equally nitty and ridiculous.

Party, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
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UTG: $98.50
MP: $113.45
CO: $92.22
BTN: $101.15
SB: $136.80
BB: $82.75

Pre-Flop:
2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 5 4 8 (2 Players)
CO checks, BTN bets $8.50, CO calls $8.50

Turn: ($25.50) 3 (2 Players)
CO checks, BTN bets $14.50, CO calls $14.50

River: ($54.50) 7 (2 Players)
CO checks, BTN bets $66, CO calls $65.72 and is All-In

Results: $185.94 Pot ($2.72 Rake)
CO showed A 4 and WON $182.94 (+$90.72 NET)
BTN showed A Q and WON $0.28 (-$91.94 NET)
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Old 10-03-10, 17:41   #80
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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($17.59)
UTG ($8.59)
UTG+1 ($17.21)
MP1 ($4.49)
MP2 ($10.21)
MP3 ($12.67)
CO ($3.99)
Button ($7.14)
SB ($10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 8
7 folds, SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.80) 3, 9, 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.80) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($3.80) J (2 players)
SB bets $8.10 (All-In), Hero ????
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