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Old 26-07-15, 12:33   #3281
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Hand from €560 Monkeys game - is this a river fold??

Blinds 500/1000/100

Hero in MP1 with 26k (having just won a flip a few hands previous to double)

Villain on button with 50kish - only at the table maybe an hour (plays a good few CPT games), had spewed off a good bit on 3 streets with JJ on an A high board a while ago having come to the table with c100k. No history between us bar an open by me which I folded to his 3 bet.





I open to 2300 with AJx

Folded to button villain who thinks for maybe 10 secs and calls. We are HU.

Flop is Jx52

I lead for 3300, he calls.





Turn is Qx.

I check & he checks behind. This in my mind rules out any made sets so I'm leaning towards FDs (have blocker) or maybe Jx combos or possibly suited A5/A2 flop peelers.





River is Ax. (Pot 12,800)

I decide to lead for 5100 (bad?) from my 20k as his play has seemed quite weak thus far so am assuming I'm ahead here and looking for a call from a weaker 2 pair or a jack hero call.

He thinks for again maybe 10-15 secs & puts a stack out of 25k.

Fold?
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Old 26-07-15, 12:43   #3282
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What does he have that beats you? One combo of KTd. I'd call. Check calling river might be better than bet/decide given the board runout and the fact you have the ace of diamonds
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Old 26-07-15, 12:58   #3283
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Call for me. I wouldn't bet river unless I intended to call a raise/shove. You have to put your last 15k in to win around 38k in the pot already. If he's flopped the set it's just a horrible river. Call.
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Old 26-07-15, 14:26   #3284
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What does he have that beats you? One combo of KTd. I'd call. Check calling river might be better than bet/decide given the board runout and the fact you have the ace of diamonds
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Call for me. I wouldn't bet river unless I intended to call a raise/shove. You have to put your last 15k in to win around 38k in the pot already. If he's flopped the set it's just a horrible river. Call.
Yeah, the K10 was the main worry but i though he'd have bet the turn when checked into him the the combo draw. Anyway I sigh called half expecting to see slow played AA or something but he had the unconventional 34o.
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Old 26-07-15, 14:39   #3285
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Yeah, the K10 was the main worry but i though he'd have bet the turn when checked into him the the combo draw. Anyway I sigh called half expecting to see slow played AA or something but he had the unconventional 34o.
I was gonna mention 34 but thought nobody playing a 500 tourney is that .uch of a donkey. Unlucky dice. Sick game.
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Old 26-07-15, 14:51   #3286
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I was gonna mention 34 but thought nobody playing a 500 tourney is that .uch of a donkey. Unlucky dice. Sick game.
If you want to play 34o on your button, well fine, but flatting with it is just strange.
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Old 27-07-15, 17:58   #3287
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Haha, that's ridiculous. I would bet turn as well if I were you, that queen isn't particularly a scare card. Check calling caps your range or gives a free card neither of which are good. Loads of pairs will only give you action if they hit their two outer. (IE 99 will fold to any further action unless the river is a nine)
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Old 27-07-15, 23:50   #3288
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I think I like checking the river. The turn and river are great bluff cards for him. If he's creative enough to raise your river bet as a bluff, betting to induce and calling off is a good play, but there's not a lot of players that are that creative.

If you check, I assume he value bets stuff like A3, A4? There's not a lot of hands that call a river bet that don't bet themselves if checked to. I don't think he calls on the river with a lot of Jx or other one pair hands. Any ace or two pair value bets river when checked to and there's little/zero Qx hands in his range. If he has a missed draw or nothing, checking gives you the chance to pick off a bluff.

If you think he checks back Ax and two-pair or if you think he'll call a bet with Jx or a lower pair, then maybe it's better to bet river. If this is the case, I like a little smaller bet, like 4000-4500.


As played, it's a pretty gross spot. He's basically repping exactly KTdd or 34 as I think sets don't flat flop/check back turn (and QQ or AA is just v unlikely too). Does he raise like this with A2/A5 on river?

If you've a good read that he's the type to just never raise the river without the goods, trust yourself and fold. In a vacuum, I think I call. I think you see missed draws/random berserko bluffs enough to justify the call. KTdd is one combo and 34 assumes he flats with this pre and doesn't play it aggressively after getting a good flop and a show of weakness on the turn
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Old 28-07-15, 00:08   #3289
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Hand from 560 Monkeys game - is this a river fold??

Blinds 500/1000/100

Hero in MP1 with 26k (having just won a flip a few hands previous to double)

Villain on button with 50kish - only at the table maybe an hour (plays a good few CPT games), had spewed off a good bit on 3 streets with JJ on an A high board a while ago having come to the table with c100k. No history between us bar an open by me which I folded to his 3 bet.





I open to 2300 with AJx

Folded to button villain who thinks for maybe 10 secs and calls. We are HU.

Flop is Jx52

I lead for 3300, he calls.





Turn is Qx.

I check & he checks behind. This in my mind rules out any made sets so I'm leaning towards FDs (have blocker) or maybe Jx combos or possibly suited A5/A2 flop peelers.





River is Ax. (Pot 12,800)

I decide to lead for 5100 (bad?) from my 20k as his play has seemed quite weak thus far so am assuming I'm ahead here and looking for a call from a weaker 2 pair or a jack hero call.

He thinks for again maybe 10-15 secs & puts a stack out of 25k.

Fold?

Turn is a mandatory bet. Player as described is probably raising a set off the flop, and your hand is still crushing his range. I rather have the 35 BB stack ott, and not complicate things too much.
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Old 28-07-15, 06:12   #3290
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Turn is a mandatory bet. Player as described is probably raising a set off the flop, and your hand is still crushing his range. I rather have the 35 BB stack ott, and not complicate things too much.
How much do you bet on the turn?

Ive 20k with 12,700 in the middle & he's flatted pre & flop in position....
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Old 28-07-15, 08:49   #3291
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I bet about 6K on the turn. Given how few Qx combo's are in his range, a jam is high variance, but an option.
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Old 28-07-15, 11:38   #3292
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I bet about 6K on the turn. Given how few Qx combo's are in his range, a jam is high variance, but an option.
Yeah ,the problem is with stack sizes I'm 99% sure he peels the turn for 6k & I go broke anyway. Overjamming the turn just to potentially protect my hand is not something I think I do. Think its just one of those spots to chalk off & move on.
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Old 18-08-15, 12:40   #3293
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2 x Satellite spots (same game)....


8 left - 5 tickets

Stacks are 4 x 70-80k & 4 x 20-30k - so bit of a gap developing in the field but a way to go yet/

Blinds 1k/2k no antes (15 min clock - live game)


H1 - Hero in SB with 80k. MP (80k) opens to 5.5k & folded to hero with JJ......


H2 - Hero in CO with 80k min opens with KK, SB (75k) repops to 17.5k, back to Hero - shove???
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Old 18-08-15, 13:25   #3294
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2 x Satellite spots (same game)....


8 left - 5 tickets

Stacks are 4 x 70-80k & 4 x 20-30k - so bit of a gap developing in the field but a way to go yet/

Blinds 1k/2k no antes (15 min clock - live game)


H1 - Hero in SB with 80k. MP (80k) opens to 5.5k & folded to hero with JJ......


H2 - Hero in CO with 80k min opens with KK, SB (75k) repops to 17.5k, back to Hero - shove???

Hand 1 Call>3b/f>shove>3b/c

Hand 2 Shove>flat>fold

That would be my thinking but haven't played a sat in ages
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Old 18-08-15, 15:09   #3295
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2 x Satellite spots (same game)....


8 left - 5 tickets

Stacks are 4 x 70-80k & 4 x 20-30k - so bit of a gap developing in the field but a way to go yet/

Blinds 1k/2k no antes (15 min clock - live game)


H1 - Hero in SB with 80k. MP (80k) opens to 5.5k & folded to hero with JJ......


H2 - Hero in CO with 80k min opens with KK, SB (75k) repops to 17.5k, back to Hero - shove???
H1 - With no Antes & no info on Villain, I peel & navigate.
H2 - Shippage, get snapped by QQ, hold, lock up ticket, go to bar
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I'm interested in playing some low stakes Omaha and mixed games online, first deposit in years, where's good? Any RB deals?
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Old 31-07-17, 15:17   #3297
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Whats the optimal line here in a strange hand i played?

Blinds 1500/3000/300

MP limps (100k)
Hero on button (100k) with KK makes it 9k
SB ships for 9200.

MP calls and turns cards over J6 ), not realising i'm in the hand.

I call the extra underraise of 200.

Flop XX6

MP leads for 25k

Hero calls whilst doing a decade of the rosary....

If the turns a blank and he checks, hero?

(PS - thought on ruling that he has all his options and can bet also welcome)
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Old 31-07-17, 15:31   #3298
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Whats the optimal line here in a strange hand i played?

Blinds 1500/3000/300

MP limps (100k)
Hero on button (100k) with KK makes it 9k
SB ships for 9200.

MP calls and turns cards over J6 ), not realising i'm in the hand.

I call the extra underraise of 200.

Flop XX6

MP leads for 25k

Hero calls whilst doing a decade of the rosary....

If the turns a blank and he checks, hero?

(PS - thought on ruling that he has all his options and can bet also welcome)
We'll it's obviously a flip on the flop vs the villain (dog including 3bb stack) so flatting is the obvious play.

You are approx 68% (just running it as a HU, still approx 54% to 29% if including 2nd villain) vs him on turn so I'd be betting turn. I can understand a check given the situation but you're missing value imo especially given you're unlikely to get value on a brick river (assuming a 6 is not top pair).

Jxxxhh on a jack high board is slightly different as you may get some value in that spot on a brick river but in this spot its a value bet on a brick turn.

Weird ruling but they've changed so much I don't know, similar situation in Killarney a few years ago and the idiot who tabled their cards ie Me could only check call.

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Old 31-07-17, 15:40   #3299
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(PS - thought on ruling that he has all his options and can bet also welcome)
Ruling seems BS. Check or call only.
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Old 31-07-17, 16:19   #3300
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The ruling is correct. This is a the relevant TDA rule: A player who exposes his cards with action pending may incur a penalty, but will not have a dead hand.
The penalty will begin at the end of the hand.

Many TDs will not allow aggressive action in this instance, but they are ruling it incorrectly. (Unless they are in a place that doesn't abide by TDA rules or they have a house rule about this situation)
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