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Old 08-05-16, 15:27   #1
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Tricky spot

Playing the Fitz Ä75 on Friday night and got caught in this spot. A couple of days later and I'm still not sure of the right play.

Blinds 200/400 ante 25

Raise to 1k early position, caller in MP, I call in BB with 8d9s

Flop is j 10 4 sss. I check, Initial raiser bets 2k, other player calls and I call.

Turn is Qd. I check, initial raiser checks, other plays puts it all in for 9.5k into a pot of 9.4k.

I didn't know what to do here. I had 40k and other player behind me yet to act had about 45k. Had been active early on and was calling down many hands. Player all in was seeing a few flops but wasn't calling anything after that.

Is this a call or a fold? Or do I ship it in? I was worried about the player behind me having AK or a flush. Any help here on what the right play is would be appreciated
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Old 08-05-16, 15:31   #2
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Fold pre to avoid these situations out of position. As played, it's a fold now.
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Old 08-05-16, 15:32   #3
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Playing the Fitz Ä75 on Friday night and got caught in this spot. A couple of days later and I'm still not sure of the right play.

Blinds 200/400 ante 25

Raise to 1k early position, caller in MP, I call in BB with 8d9s

Flop is j 10 4 sss. I check, Initial raiser bets 2k, other player calls and I call.

Turn is Qd. I check, initial raiser checks, other plays puts it all in for 9.5k into a pot of 9.4k.

I didn't know what to do here. I had 40k and other player behind me yet to act had about 45k. Had been active early on and was calling down many hands. Player all in was seeing a few flops but wasn't calling anything after that.

Is this a call or a fold? Or do I ship it in? I was worried about the player behind me having AK or a flush. Any help here on what the right play is would be appreciated
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Old 08-05-16, 15:34   #4
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Fold pre to avoid these situations out of position. As played, it's a fold now.
Don't think it is.
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Old 08-05-16, 15:37   #5
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Ok, you may have the 3rd best hand but that could be enough. The play on the flop was a bit weak so can't read too much into that I think.
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Old 08-05-16, 16:01   #6
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Don't think it is.
Player all in was seeing flops and giving up easily. Now all of a sudden he calls a c-bet and sticks it in on the turn. He's flopped a shitty flush imo. For that reason it's a fold. Could also have K9. Don't think AK as he would possibly 're raise pre.
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Old 08-05-16, 16:12   #7
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Their ranges are so wide here you can't fold

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Old 08-05-16, 19:26   #8
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Fold pre to avoid these situations out of position. As played, it's a fold now.
Solid advice, wait for nuts.
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Old 08-05-16, 19:49   #9
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Solid advice, wait for nuts.
Ah. You crawled out from under your bridge. Well done. An insightful reply as always.
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Old 08-05-16, 20:12   #10
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Like HJ said, it's not a fold. Call and give up if other villain reshoves. Jamming turn makes no sense, you never get called by a worse hand
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Old 08-05-16, 22:43   #11
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Like HJ said, it's not a fold. Call and give up if other villain reshoves. Jamming turn makes no sense, you never get called by a worse hand
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folding in this spot would be terrible imo and im never folding pre in the bb either
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Old 09-05-16, 09:36   #12
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Their ranges are so wide here you can't fold
Yeah it's a call but I wouldn't feel good about it. I certainly wouldn't get all results-oriented when he turns over a better hand. He can have all kinds of bollox here.
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Old 09-05-16, 10:57   #13
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All day call.
You see 2pair with a flush draw here a lot.
Maybe AsQx
Maybe a woefully played set
I think you see k9/AK a lot less than you think.
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Old 10-05-16, 00:26   #14
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But if he just calls rather than ships it will the player behind not think it's worth calling too ?

I think call or all in.
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Old 10-05-16, 04:07   #15
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think the call pre was fine, but think its better to just fold the flop to avoid this sort of spot, hand is weaker than it looks,with too many cards getting you in trouble.
As the hand was played i call but its a tricky spot with original raiser to act. i can't see any hands that beat us C-betting into 2 players, getting 2 calls and checking back this turn so i actually prefer the shove to protect your hand. if you call raiser may call with his draws and any A,K,9 or spade leaves u in a lot of trouble with a pot size stack left
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Old 10-05-16, 07:17   #16
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Call pre is fine, I'd flat here to maximise value and if we get shoved on, it's pretty ugly and might just have to fold, always player dependant though.
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Old 10-05-16, 15:47   #17
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Basically everything everyone has said has popped into my head since Friday. In the end i reluctantly folded, not because of the guy who shoved but more out of fear of calling and the bigger stack coming over the top with a shove all in. Fella behind me folded and said he had everything beat but spades which would suggest AK but couldn't see him laying that down there. If i didn't have the player behind me to act it would have been a snap call
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Old 10-05-16, 16:30   #18
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call/fold vs a reshove. Will happen v rarely. Even tougher to be beat holding 9
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Old 10-05-16, 17:25   #19
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Yeah justify's the tricky in the headline tbf ;-) but I think your preflop play is OK based on the action (stack sizes would help a bit in the intro to see how deep we are). With respect to how the hand plays out post flop I'm flatting and puke folding to a reshove.
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Old 10-05-16, 22:56   #20
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As said above, flat & prob fold to a reshove. I think flating on the flop was poor though.
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