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    Originally posted by connie147 View Post
    Some nice sweats going there Tony, gl with them.
    My yankeys going well. 2 up already, (Lisowski and Holt), and marcus cambell looks to be cruising at 7-2 ahead going into tonites final session. So I'll be sweating Wenbo today for a nice payday.

    Also with my outsiders double, Michael White has already won, so a sweat on McManus this afternoon who starts back 5-4 up on Tom Ford.

    What with the snooker, the masters and the odd few Sunday online games, busy day ahead!!!
    gl to us both! Would you not stick a bit on Davis to cover the yankee? At least enough to freeroll your bet or are you just going for the glory! Hoping Ken can turn things back around and McManus needs to pull through and i'll be a fan forever

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      Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
      Shame for Fergal to run into a man in form. Are you staying over there to catch the end of Ken's game or is Fergal too deflated?
      No we got the 9am flight home this morning. Ken's got a lot to do but you never know.

      Last 3 World qualifiers he's run into men in great form, Stevens (final black ball) 2 years ago, Dave Gilbert last year who played amazing & Lisowski this year who had that 5 frame mini session where he was simply unplayable.

      I guess like the WSOP Main Event the day a snooker player gets knocked out of the Worlds is the worst day of the year but Fergal's long enough in the game to take a step back and look at the result with brutal honesty and try pick some lessons learned for going forward. With this match it was not putting the squeeze on enough at start of evening session when he won the first frame & should have taken the first 'mini session' 3-1. Disappointed but not deflated.

      Lisowski won the match with a brilliant 5 frame salvo from 3-1 down. He was unplayable.

      Fergal's back for his first PTC early June so it's onwards & hopefully upwards. Always looking forward, learning & hopefully not making the same mistakes.

      P.S Good luck with the bets, I think McManus' vast experience might just see him through
      Last edited by TM2204; 14-04-13, 15:01.

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        I think Fergal was unlucky in the draw as Lisowski was one of the toughest he could have got. Lisowski's such a heavy scorer, and when he gets on a roll, he's a nightmare for anyone. It was always going to be hard to keep the reins on him.
        There were many other matches in the round where Id have fancied fergal if he'd had a better draw/ I think Lisowski will be a dangerous opponnent in the 1st round proper (once he's not affected by his 1st appearance in the Crucible)

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          Unlucky on the Wenbo bet Connie. Hope you came out with profit

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            Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
            Unlucky on the Wenbo bet Connie. Hope you came out with profit
            3 x doubles and a treble up in the yankee and the outsider double up (well im presuming marcus Cambell turns his 7-2 lead into a win tonite).. Im quite happy with that.

            Ken after going from 9-3 down to 9-7. probably left himself too much to do. He should have wont the first couple of frames today, but he rhrew away both. Really hope he has the miracle comeback.

            Now anxiously waiting for the draw for the 1st round proper.

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              Originally posted by connie147 View Post
              3 x doubles and a treble up in the yankee and the outsider double up (well im presuming marcus Cambell turns his 7-2 lead into a win tonite).. Im quite happy with that.

              Ken after going from 9-3 down to 9-7. probably left himself too much to do. He should have wont the first couple of frames today, but he rhrew away both. Really hope he has the miracle comeback.

              Now anxiously waiting for the draw for the 1st round proper.
              Yeah been following on live updates. Selt went 35 up with 35 left there in the next. Ken got a snooker out of him and just pot the red and blue so needs the colours to make it 9-8. Keep it together Ken, it's not too late!

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                Fuck me, that was one of the best pressure clearances Ive seen. 9-8 now.

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                  Originally posted by connie147 View Post
                  Fuck me, that was one of the best pressure clearances Ive seen. 9-8 now.
                  You following the same way i am, or you got a funky link?

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                    Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                    You following the same way i am, or you got a funky link?
                    Live streaming if you are logged in on Bet365

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                      Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                      Live streaming if you are logged in on Bet365
                      ugh, terrible luck going in off while opening the reds and hanging one over a pocket.

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                        Ken grinding like a boss!

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                          stuck a fiver in B365 account just to watch it!

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                            Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
                            stuck a fiver in B365 account just to watch it!
                            On to live chat because i forget my log on details ffs. Slow process! I've just been following live updates the last couple of days

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                              Yeah me too but had to see this.

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                                Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                You following the same way i am, or you got a funky link?
                                Im watching it on sportlemon

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                                  Originally posted by connie147 View Post
                                  Ah balls...waste of a fiver maybe..have it on Ken so hopefully not!

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                                    Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
                                    Ah balls...waste of a fiver maybe..have it on Ken so hopefully not!
                                    Cheers Connie. Stick your fiver on Ken for a double up

                                    Edit - I see you did that!

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                                        Originally posted by connie147 View Post
                                        I think Fergal was unlucky in the draw as Lisowski was one of the toughest he could have got. Lisowski's such a heavy scorer, and when he gets on a roll, he's a nightmare for anyone. It was always going to be hard to keep the reins on him.
                                        There were many other matches in the round where Id have fancied fergal if he'd had a better draw/ I think Lisowski will be a dangerous opponnent in the 1st round proper (once he's not affected by his 1st appearance in the Crucible)
                                        Yeah Connie, it was a tough draw. Your watching a fantastic match and beside it you have Cope v Poomjaeng where, quite literally, there was as many mistakes per frame as in the Fergal/Lisowski whole match.

                                        Anyway, that's irrelevant, you must beat whats put in front of you and if Fergal had put the squeeze on a little tighter at start of evening session he would have been right back in it especially with Lisowski never having qualified for the Crucible before. It mean't a lot to him evident when he won.

                                        Having said that though Fergal does seem to draw the guys bang in form.
                                        Last edited by TM2204; 14-04-13, 19:22.

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                                          The likes of Fergal and Ken should really be incentivised to make a good go of it the next few years by Barry Hearns plans.
                                          Some huge money increases and they are going ahead with the new seeding system (everyone starts in Rnd 1) for 9 of the ranking events.




                                          (Warning to Flushdraw, some of the inconsistent pay jumps may trouble you)

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                                            Yep, prize money up from £3.5m to £8m next season. Hearn hasn't done too bad in 3 years (in a recession).

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                                              Delu and King still locked at 8-8. Score in the 17th frame is King 69-75 Delu with the blue, pink and black left on the table lol.

                                              Edit - Delu took it. 1 more please

                                              Maflin 9-8 down to Ebdon. Just 2 more please

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                                                Bracket draw.

                                                Ronnie O'Sullivan v Marcus Campbell
                                                Ali Carter v Ben Woollaston
                                                Stuart Bingham v Sam Baird
                                                John Higgins v Mark Davis

                                                Shaun Murphy v Martin Gould
                                                Graeme Dott v Peter Ebdon
                                                Matthew Stevens v Marco Fu
                                                Judd Trump v Dominic Dale

                                                Neil Robertson v Robert Milkins
                                                Ricky Walden v Michael Holt
                                                Mark Williams v Michael White
                                                Stephen Maguire v Dechewat Poomjaeng

                                                Mark Allen v Mark King
                                                Ding Junhui v Alan McManus
                                                Barry Hawkins v Jack Lisowski
                                                Mark Selby v Mathew Selt

                                                ****
                                                Ebdon v Dott the standout for those who like value for money for their entrance fee.
                                                MS v MS, MW v MW and SB v SB, first time thats ever happened.
                                                Last edited by ArmaniJeans; 15-04-13, 14:15.

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                                                  Whats the views on Ronnie...?
                                                  should he be fav?
                                                  He's got a very tough quarter...!!

                                                  Selby looks the man to beat this year....
                                                  "the impossible is often untried"

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                                                    For the first time in years, there isn't 1 game there that i'm fistpumping or really looking forward to seeing. Some long long games ahead too. Ebdon v Dott as you mentioned, and Ding v McManus/Stevens v Fu won't be sprints either.

                                                    Probably Allen v King for entertainment could be the pick of the round imo.

                                                    Can't even see a whole load of value, because the exciting/better qualifiers all got tough draws. Woolaston 11/4 v Carter could be decent. Lisowski only Evs v Hawkins, Holt 8/5 v Walden and Ebdon 6/4 v Dott would be best outside chances are first glance

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                                                      Robertson will be getting my few pennies outright, judd is a lay all day long.
                                                      Profit before people.

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                                                        Can't wait to see Ronnie back. I've loads on Ding for this at better prices. Gonna cover with Robertson and Ronnie. Top half of the draw is by far the weaker

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                                                          If there's a top qualifier market (altho not sure how dead heat rules in snooker apply) then the player most likely to win their first 2 matches could be Marco Fu. He can defo get past Stevens and if Trump has an offday in the first round or the 2nd round, then he could be in with a shout. Bingham would have fancied his chance this season and there could have been some decent money on him, but he really did get the nut cunt of a quarter with Higgins and O Sullivan

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                                                            Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                            For the first time in years, there isn't 1 game there that i'm fistpumping or really looking forward to seeing. Some long long games ahead too. Ebdon v Dott as you mentioned, and Ding v McManus/Stevens v Fu won't be sprints either.

                                                            Probably Allen v King for entertainment could be the pick of the round imo.

                                                            Can't even see a whole load of value, because the exciting/better qualifiers all got tough draws. Woolaston 11/4 v Carter could be decent. Lisowski only Evs v Hawkins, Holt 8/5 v Walden and Ebdon 6/4 v Dott would be best outside chances are first glance

                                                            I didnt do any serious look at it yet, but I'll be against you on the Ebdon match. I think Dott wins with something to spare.

                                                            Ive already backed holt for the game against Walden. Think its great value. Michael White @ 2/1 (PP) is good value considering the way mark Williams is playing.
                                                            For accum backers, Sean Murphy is a must at 2/5 against Martin Gould.

                                                            An accum with :

                                                            Sean Murphy 2/5 bet365, same Boyles

                                                            John Higgen 1/3 bet365, 1/4 Boyles

                                                            Mark Allen 1/4 bet365, 1/6 Boyles

                                                            Neil Robertson 1/5 bet 365, 2/9 Boyles.

                                                            Steven Maguire 1/7 bet365, 1/6 Boyles.

                                                            return just over 2/1 (€32 got €10 on bet 365), and just under 2/1 on Boyles (€29 for €10)

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                                                              Just to say that it is definately the most open WC in years, and literally, any 1 of 9 players could win it. I backed a few for small enough monies a couple of months ago, but 2 of them ended up in the same quarter!!
                                                              Mark Allen I thought had a serious chance this year, but he's going to have to play Ding in the last 16 (presuming he gets over mark King), and if he gets the better of Ding, he must play Selby in the quarters!! Thats some tough run, so I'll just stick with what i have on him for now.
                                                              I had also backed Ding earlier, and as above, no further investment.

                                                              The player I intend backing now for the title is Steven Maguire. I thought a few years ago when he appeared on the scene, that he would win the WC a number of times, but it hasnt happened. Still, this season is the first time in a number of years that Ive seen him back in the form he used to show, and at 14/1. he is due to meet neil Robertson in the quarter finals. I think that match will be a cracker, and with Robertson best priced 6/1, Im siding with maguire.

                                                              The top half is much easier imho. No-one is sure yet what Ronnies gonna be like, and with that in mind, a small ew bet on Ali Carter (best priced 28/1) wouldnt be a bad investment. Seems to always up his game at the crucible, he has been showing a bit of form late in the season.

                                                              In the 2nd quarter, sean Murphy and judd trump are destined to meet in the QF.

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                                                                Dutching Murphy 7/2 and Stevens 10's to win second quarter. Basically trying to take on Judd as much as possible at current prices.
                                                                Profit before people.

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                                                                  Originally posted by The Situation View Post
                                                                  Dutching Murphy 7/2 and Stevens 10's to win second quarter. Basically trying to take on Judd as much as possible at current prices.
                                                                  That Trump isn't anything special. Overrated imo :-)

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                                                                    Originally posted by Howard Finkel View Post
                                                                    That Trump isn't anything special. Overrated imo :-)
                                                                    Is there a story behind this, don't think we've ever heard it
                                                                    Profit before people.

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                                                                      PP have 4/7 for the shortest frame in Round 1 to be under 8 minutes. If every match was the finish 10-5, that's 240 attempts to get there. There's lots of players capable of making a century in 6-7 minutes, nevermind a frame winning clearance. Higgins and O Sullivan managed to play an opening 8 game session in 45 minutes a few years ago. It would be hard to follow because i'm not sure if any sites cover it, but 8 mins is just too big a line imo.

                                                                      They also have the longest frame to be +46.5 minutes. Again, i like the overs here. Players don't like giving up too easy when the match comes to an end and you often see players playing on for 4 and 5 snookers if it's 8-7+ in frames because they don't want to go home. There's been a lot of hour+ frames in the crucible with the longest being over 75 minutes. It's another one that's hard to follow but i'd expect it to be a winner.

                                                                      Dott v Ebdon is 9/4 to be the longest match of the 1st round. Not sure that will go all the way, so i see some value in Ding v McManus and Bingham v Baird both @ 16/1

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                                                                        Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                                        PP have 4/7 for the shortest frame in Round 1 to be under 8 minutes. If every match was the finish 10-5, that's 240 attempts to get there. There's lots of players capable of making a century in 6-7 minutes, nevermind a frame winning clearance. Higgins and O Sullivan managed to play an opening 8 game session in 45 minutes a few years ago. It would be hard to follow because i'm not sure if any sites cover it, but 8 mins is just too big a line imo.

                                                                        They also have the longest frame to be +46.5 minutes. Again, i like the overs here. Players don't like giving up too easy when the match comes to an end and you often see players playing on for 4 and 5 snookers if it's 8-7+ in frames because they don't want to go home. There's been a lot of hour+ frames in the crucible with the longest being over 75 minutes. It's another one that's hard to follow but i'd expect it to be a winner.

                                                                        Dott v Ebdon is 9/4 to be the longest match of the 1st round. Not sure that will go all the way, so i see some value in Ding v McManus and Bingham v Baird both @ 16/1
                                                                        Looking at this as well, some good value..
                                                                        looking at o sullivan, the line on longest frame of the match is 27:30... sure there will be at least one longer frame, id presume 3 safety battles in any of the frames and it would be beat, especially with o sullivn been rusty, he will be taking his time with alot of shots...
                                                                        ,and cant see any of the frames being less than 8 minutes in the this particular match..

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                                                                          Originally posted by luckforsome View Post
                                                                          Looking at this as well, some good value..
                                                                          looking at o sullivan, the line on longest frame of the match is 27:30... sure there will be at least one longer frame, id presume 3 safety battles in any of the frames and it would be beat, especially with o sullivn been rusty, he will be taking his time with alot of shots...
                                                                          ,and cant see any of the frames being less than 8 minutes in the this particular match..
                                                                          That's the one game I wouldn't bet against a less than 8 minute frame. Your talking about the man who made a max in 5 minutes. Don't think that Ronnie hasn't been practicing either, he's not going to turn up as defending champ with bring ready.

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                                                                            Looking at some of the 'breaks' odds for tomorrow's games (excl Ronnie's)

                                                                            Murphy is averaging a century every 17 frames this season, while Gould lagging behind with 1 century every 23 frames. He's yet to break 140 so i think the 4/7 on Murphy HB is a good one.

                                                                            Holt is 11/10 for HB against Walden. Holts got a 144 under his belt and is hitting them more consistently than Walden. Also, the under 1.5 centuries @ 4/6 could be good because they both have a history of being jittery in the opening game.

                                                                            Williams has only hit 9 centuries this season in 361 frames. He's slipped into his old habit of not giving a shit about centuries when he has the frame won. White is one of the most consistent break builders outside the top 16 and is averaging a century every 16 frames compared to Williams 1 in 40. White 7/5 for HB with PP is value imo.

                                                                            Hoping for good things in the Hawkins/Lisowski game. They're both decent break builders and Lisowski has a maximum this season compared to Hawkins 135. Lisowski 5/6 for HB and over 1.5 centuries @5/6 because this game should go the distance.

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                                                                              Today's matches

                                                                              Michael Holt Highest Break - Ricky Walden vs Michael Holt
                                                                              Over 1.5 centuries - Shaun Murphy vs Martin Gould
                                                                              Over 1.5 centuries - Mark Williams vs Michael White
                                                                              Ronnie O'Sullivan to win 10-2

                                                                              Also my 3 "shocks"

                                                                              Sam Baird @ 7/2
                                                                              Marco Fu @ 1/1
                                                                              Michael White @ 2/1

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                                                                                Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                                                Holt is 11/10 for HB against Walden. Holts got a 144 under his belt and is hitting them more consistently than Walden. Also, the under 1.5 centuries @ 4/6 could be good because they both have a history of being jittery in the opening game.
                                                                                Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                                                                                Today's matches

                                                                                Michael Holt Highest Break - Ricky Walden vs Michael Holt
                                                                                Walden scored a 140 in the 3rd frame on his way to a 4-0 mid session lead

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                                                                                  Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                                                  Walden scored a 140 in the 3rd frame on his way to a 4-0 mid session lead
                                                                                  Yep, have Walden in my 16 match accum

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                                                                                    ..missed the first 4 frames, so not sure of timing...but looking at frame 5 and the overs on the 26 minutes has been hit already...
                                                                                    could anyone tell me if any of the first 4 frames has been less than 8:30>,,,and is there anywhere that keeps track of these...

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                                                                                      Originally posted by luckforsome View Post
                                                                                      ..missed the first 4 frames, so not sure of timing...but looking at frame 5 and the overs on the 26 minutes has been hit already...
                                                                                      could anyone tell me if any of the first 4 frames has been less than 8:30>,,,and is there anywhere that keeps track of these...
                                                                                      I'm nearly sure the first frame was less than 8 mins and one of the frames was circa 42 mins

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                                                                                        Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                                                        Hoping for good things in the Hawkins/Lisowski game. They're both decent break builders and Lisowski has a maximum this season compared to Hawkins 135. Lisowski 5/6 for HB and over 1.5 centuries @5/6 because this game should go the distance.
                                                                                        Hawkins in really good form in this game to go 5-2 up. Both players have scored exactly 100, so over 1.5 centuries came in.

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                                                                                          All over Williams here @ 1.5 with betfair.

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                                                                                            It'd be rude not go in again @ evs.

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                                                                                              Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                                                                                              Ronnie O'Sullivan to win 10-2
                                                                                              Pretty ill fluke to scupper this one

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                                                                                                Originally posted by White Knight View Post
                                                                                                Pretty ill fluke to scupper this one
                                                                                                unlucky, that was sick alright.

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                                                                                                  Pretty outrageous fluke for Walden to go 9-1 up. Holt 15 behind with the last 3 colours left and lays a snooker on the blue. Walden plays a 2 cushion attempted escape and it's called a miss. Holt puts him back in, but not only does he get out, he pots it to go 15 up with 13 left and clinches it a few mins later. Harsh on Holt but he took it really well, as he has throughout this whole match.

                                                                                                  Was meant to post up a comment i heard yesterday morning. Ken Doherty and Willie Thorne talking in commentary and Willie asks Ken did he ever get up and start practicing early in the morning ahead of the WC to get used to the 10am starts. Ken laughed and said no, he just went with the flow. Willie then says that he used to do it for 3/4 days before he played. Ken then pipes up with 'Well it didn't do you any good anyway, did it'

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                                                                                                    Dott -3.5 @ 11/10 in running is big imo. Ebdon is not near the opponent he used to be, has not done much so far, and I cant see him scoring heavily enough to worry the handicap.

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                                                                                                      Value in backing Williams now? White likely to tighten up?

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                                                                                                        Originally posted by Aya14 View Post
                                                                                                        Value in backing Williams now? White likely to tighten up?
                                                                                                        I've gone in so many times it's ridiculous.

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                                                                                                          and the comeback has started.......

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                                                                                                            Sigh, out with the old and in with the new.

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                                                                                                              Nice clearance there from Davis to go 7-4. Starting to feel kinda good about my Davis,King,Dale trixie. Hopefully Dale puts up a fight against Trump. Pays 31/1 if they all come in so looking like i'll get a sweat anyway!

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                                                                                                                Davis gets there v Higgins. Poomjaeng had a chance to go 5-1 up on Maguire but played a kangaroo shot straight over the pink and pot the white in the corner. Maguire then pots the pink to pull in back to 4-2. This has the makings of a really open Championships. I reckon so many people's accums have gone out the window already

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                                                                                                                  Higgins prob won more money than the outright prize losing that game. Scum
                                                                                                                  Profit before people.

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                                                                                                                    GOOD BYE HIGGINS

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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                                                                                      Davis gets there v Higgins. Poomjaeng had a chance to go 5-1 up on Maguire but played a kangaroo shot straight over the pink and pot the white in the corner. Maguire then pots the pink to pull in back to 4-2. This has the makings of a really open Championships. I reckon so many people's accums have gone out the window already
                                                                                                                      The multi-match accumulators are soooo hard these days. The days where you could safely pick your winners and just get, maybe, a sweat or two are gone. Your lucky if your still live after 2 matches these days. Standard in snooker has evened out a hell of a lot and anyone (almost) can beat anyone...

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                                                                                                                        Absolutely nothing has gone right for Mark King in this game. Made a pretty bad school boy error when he was 5-6 down and way ahead with 3 reds left and Allen needing 3 snookers and he went in off a run of the mill safety and Allen got the required snookers and went 7-5 up. Allen has played so bad that despite all the errors and the run of the balls he has, that King has got it back to 8-8 and is definetly playing with his tail up. The last couple of frames will be good to watch

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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                                                                                          Absolutely nothing has gone right for Mark King in this game. Made a pretty bad school boy error when he was 5-6 down and way ahead with 3 reds left and Allen needing 3 snookers and he went in off a run of the mill safety and Allen got the required snookers and went 7-5 up. Allen has played so bad that despite all the errors and the run of the balls he has, that King has got it back to 8-8 and is definetly playing with his tail up. The last couple of frames will be good to watch
                                                                                                                          King needs to stop standing like he's taking a shit, that's one of the main reasons I never took to him.

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