Call or fold river?

[Hectorjelly]

Opponent is decent. Not much of a read on him, we tend to avoid each other mostly.


I have 35o on BB. Fish limps, villain completes his SB.

The flop is 46K, two hearts.

Villain bets €1 into €1.50, I call. Fish folds.

Turn is a black three. Villain bets €2.50. I call

River is the other black three. Villain checks. I bet €5, and he makes it €19 after a few seconds.

[digiman]

I fold, easy spot for him to check the river with strong hands as all the draws miss that you may bet at and you should also be value betting some Kx hands

[Guest]

call for me, and put him on AK, KQ, or KJ
no way he has better than us here imo
he is just firing a 3rd bullet to try and buy it

[ghostface]

call for me, and put him on AK, KQ, or KJ
no way he has better than us here imo
he is just firing a 3rd bullet to try and buy it

you realise the villain is the sb and not the button? AK, KQ are highly unlikely.

I don't like it much but I prob fold this after the river check raise. Can't see him having worse than the 3 too often

[Guest]

my bad, read it wrong

[Hectorjelly]

call for me, and put him on AK, KQ, or KJ
no way he has better than us here imo
he is just firing a 3rd bullet to try and buy it

Firstly he is the sb so these hands are somewhat unlikely

Secondly you say he is trying to buy it, yet you think he has a pretty good hand. It can't really be both.

Thirdly a third bullet would involve him just betting the river.

[westlife]

I fold, pocket 4's or 6's is def putting in a raise pre flop, so hard to put him on a set with no pre raise. Check raising the river is a very strong indication that your in trouble.Its difficult to put him on a hand that your behind to (maybe 5 7)..... but.... I fold (i'm a wimp)

[Winning!]

I call. Pretty weird line for value since we're calling a third barrel OTR with a lot of stuff that checks back as often, 4x/6x/weak Kx hands. Also means we're not vbetting particularly thin, since we're gonna have every combo of pair/gutterball trash that made a hand in our BB range; 66/44/75/53/63/73 and are probably missing a few strong 66/AK/KQ/KJ/KT combos if we are in anyway likely to pop it pre. In any case he probably expects we're mostly gonna b/f Kx smallish here when checked to, so why c/r instead of potting it with the nutted end when we're calling off like always

[jazzyfish]

I fold, pocket 4's or 6's is def putting in a raise pre flop, so hard to put him on a set with no pre raise. Check raising the river is a very strong indication that your in trouble.Its difficult to put him on a hand that your behind to (maybe 5 7)..... but.... I fold (i'm a wimp)

he said he was a decent player so cant see why he would raise with 66 or 44 here when the fish who flatted the button is never folding and the fact that the hero could easyly 3 bet in ps with a wide range here tells me its more likely to have 66 and 44 s in his flat range and i dont think he would want to play a big pot oop against a fish either

[jazzyfish]

[QUOTE=Winning!;565988]I call. Pretty weird line for value since we're calling a third barrel OTR with a lot of stuff that checks back as often, 4x/6x/weak Kx hands. Also means we're not vbetting particularly thin, since we're gonna have every combo of pair/gutterball trash that made a hand in our BB range; 66/44/75/53/63/73 and are probably missing a few strong 66/AK/KQ/KJ/KT combos if we are in anyway likely to pop it pre. In any case he probably expects we're mostly gonna b/f Kx smallish here when checked to, so why c/r instead of potting it with the nutted end when we're calling off like always[/QUOT
so do you think he s check raise in enough to make this a profitable cal after the hero calls the turn that just shows massive strenght to me and the fact that they stay away from each other make s it more intresting im sure he knows that the hero here is a good player and that he knows that he is gonna check back any k or any two pair its a tough spot clearly hero here is always betting for vaule after calling the turn so a check raise here just puts him on a very narrow range would love to no what he had in this hand but for me to make my decision here it would come down to the player and how good is he and does he balance his ranges etc etc etc

[jazzyfish]

Opponent is decent. Not much of a read on him, we tend to avoid each other mostly.


I have 35o on BB. Fish limps, villain completes his SB.

The flop is 46K, two hearts.

Villain bets €1 into €1.50, I call. Fish folds.

Turn is a black three. Villain bets €2.50. I call

River is the other black three. Villain checks. I bet €5, and he makes it €19 after a few seconds.

i think you should of put up the stats for this hand as its hard to tell what kind of player villian is

[dbinit]

Cant see how you fold here. Your only beat by a boat or a better3. He likely didnt have the draw you did on the flop with another 3 (unless he paired the board with his other card) , so its bigger trips that have made a boat , or a boat with the remaining 3 you are worried about.

SO thats 44 ,66 , KK , 4,3 , 6,3 K3, K4 You'd expect a raise with pairs as he won't want to face 3 players with the 4s or 6's, and isolating would look easy enough to even the most basic palyer with a limper in and BB to act, and hes out of position after the flop. Kings could trap esp with a fish and K3 fits the play yet is more unlikely with only one 3 left.

Other hands that look likely with his play are KJ k10,K9,K8,k7, K5 , K2 and they fit the pre flop limp and possibly the check raise (esp the KJ, K10) on the river given that you had not showed any real strength yet, called all the way and then bet when he checked.

he could have been on a heart draw that missed or could be putting you on one too..

As we know knothing is definate , but given the information there are are lot of weaker hands that also fit his play , and most of the ones that are actually ahead of you dont quite add up to normal predictive play (if only it was that easy)....

NOw look at the odds to call. $14 , into a pot of $31.50. Thats great odds for this situation and i would think the most profitable play is calling. yeah you may be behind , but youd be ahead enough times here to call and be profitable long term.

[Hectorjelly]

I was the villain, I actually can't remember exactly what I had, it was some sort of missed draw. No stats, I don't use a hud.

I was interested in what calls me here, if you're calling with 35 you should really be calling with a good king, since there are no hands in the middle. The fact you have trips is somewhat irrelevant, since my range is polarised.

Some good posts anyway, especially winning who nailed my thinking!