calll or fold?

[shanboghted]

ipoker $10 & $1 sit/go ten handed
villian is passive in last ten hands playing about 4 of them and winning one.
hero is in mp +2 with kq and has 1610 blinds are 30/60 villian is in small blind with 1895

so folded to hero who raises to 180
small blind calls
flop k(h) j(c) 8(c)
pot 400
villian checks and hero raises 315
villian snap all in 1700
call or fold??

[Flushdraw]

Make it 150 pre and as played, maybe 230-250 on the flop. Call his shove. There's too many combos of Q10, 109, clubs, Kx, Jx in his range to be too worried. He can really only have KJ and possibly 88 to beat you because he's raising KK and JJ pre, and folding K8/J8 (i'd assume)

[shanboghted]

i actually think id find a fold there if i done it your way flushdraw beacause id have only 1/4 of my stack in the pot and he should know im tight as its the second hand iv played, plus the way i played it i had 1/3 of me stack in there so i was fairly commited and was thinking i was most likey up against a draw at worst!

[Caf]

I would have thought that this is a standard fold pre in the early stage of an STT. In saying that I don't play them too often, but I'd only be opening 1010+ and AQ+ this early.

[shanboghted]

well anyway he had ak which puzzeled me a bit because i couldnt put him on this as he didnt reraise me...

[royalraiser85]

well anyway he had ak which puzzeled me a bit because i couldnt put him on this as he didnt reraise me...

I'd agree with Caf here, a definite fold. No point in putting your entire stack at risk here without having the strongest of hands.

With only having 10 hands of information on the villain it's hard to make a judgement on him. If he's played 4/10 hands he's playing pretty loose. And by jamming the way he did here he's also telling us that he's prepared to be aggressive.

It wasn't a good jam on his behalf either as there was a possibility of trips and a flush draw on the board. A lot of combo's that could have beaten him too.

Best course of action here is to fold and make a note on the player and that he's prepared to jam with top pair. Pick the right spot later on and he could easily pay you off quite handsomely.

[Caf]

well anyway he had ak which puzzeled me a bit because i couldnt put him on this as he didnt reraise me...

WP him. If he 3bet you, then what's your play?

It wasn't a good jam on his behalf either as there was a possibility of trips and a flush draw on the board. A lot of combo's that could have beaten him too.

Great jam by villian because it's such a draw heavy board that he gets paid by worse one pair hands and FDs. His hand is disguised pretty well and will always get a call from Kx and sometimes even Jx hands just because the play looks like a more like a draw.

There is always a possibility of a set but it's fairly hard to make one and rare that someone would Cbet over 3/4s pot with one.

[Winning!]

well anyway he had ak which puzzeled me a bit because i couldnt put him on this as he didnt reraise me...

So you got coolered. Why would you bet the flop if you didn't think it would induce villain to make a mistake with a worse hand? If villain only ever plays back at us with better hands then betting in the first place has no value, so it wouldn't be the right play. Intuitively you know this not to be the case, so you have your answer, well played.

Also, wrong forum

[doke]

Preflop raise is too big.

With an SPR (stack to pot ratio) of 4 you can't even consider folding top pair. It's basically a cooler. His flat with AK is good play at this stage of an stt (unless he believes you're going to snap a pot committing reraise pre with worse aces or kings).

Back when I was specialising in stts and people used to ask me for advice on how to play them from scratch, I used to tell them that with an SPR of 5 or less, you just get it in with top pair on the flop every time against any normal player. Against an ubernit the number drops to 3, and against a LAG rises to 7 to 10 depending on how drawy the board is.

If you raise less pre you have a higher SPR (meaning more wriggle room postflop), albeit still not enough in this specific example to profitably fold if you get shoved on.

[NuckChorris]

As played you can't fold often here, unless he wasreally passive in other hands and in the one he won. Others have said how it could be played differently/better.

[tglynn]

First off I think it's a fold here pre this early in a STT. As played, i bet less on flop and then it's an even harder decision!! IMO bet less pre and check back flop. You can get 2 streets of value of a worse hand in this spot, and worst case scenario you can rep making a draw if something fills in that makes sense.