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Old 12-04-13, 14:06   #41
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The real culprit

Nobody seems to have commented on the role that the previous GENERAL manager played in the closing of the poker room.The poker managers and dealers never had a chance of making a success of the poker room. He pulled the rug out from under the feet of lady poker manager while she was on holidays by undoing all the hard work she had done(he took away all guarantees and promotions that she had in place) and she came back to a crippled poker room again and had to suffer the abuse and the blame for his work.
Two day before he was due to leave he stopped to talk to me on the floor and asked me how things were.....i replied "good ..Jude has got the tournaments going well again and he has a cash game nearly every night".....He replied to me with a sneer on his face "Enjoy it while it lasts,Mr.XXX (one of the part owners of the club) wants that poker room closed and it will be".
So it appears now that he was that he was acting on behalf of this owner in aiding to close the poker room.....And now we know why he was kept there even after REPEATED complaints by customers and staff to the owners.....He was actually doing the job he was hired to do.
Unfortunately for the owners he has left a legacy and bad taste that wont be forgotten...

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Old 13-04-13, 11:32   #42
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Nobody seems to have commented on the role that the previous GENERAL manager played in the closing of the poker room.The poker managers and dealers never had a chance of making a success of the poker room. He pulled the rug out from under the feet of lady poker manager while she was on holidays by undoing all the hard work she had done(he took away all guarantees and promotions that she had in place) and she came back to a crippled poker room again and had to suffer the abuse and the blame for his work.
Two day before he was due to leave he stopped to talk to me on the floor and asked me how things were.....i replied "good ..Jude has got the tournaments going well again and he has a cash game nearly every night".....He replied to me with a sneer on his face "Enjoy it while it lasts,Mr.XXX (one of the part owners of the club) wants that poker room closed and it will be".
So it appears now that he was that he was acting on behalf of this owner in aiding to close the poker room.....And now we know why he was kept there even after REPEATED complaints by customers and staff to the owners.....He was actually doing the job he was hired to do.
Unfortunately for the owners he has left a legacy and bad taste that wont be forgotten...
so you feel that the promotions that she introduced were a good thing from a business point of view. IMO if i was the owner of the club and i saw some of the promotions that were introduced id see the amount of money wasted in the poker room and id want to close it as well, maybe if the promotions had an element of common sense in them then maybe they'd have worked instead of costing the club money............so IMO the manager of the poker is to blame for wasting the owners money.

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They basically had a promotion where a certain winning bet on a house game (I think it was mega texas hold em) resulted in a bonus (i.e. free entry to a poker tournament - i.e. a ticket worth €30). As far as I could tell, the promotion was massively +EV for the player and whoever came up with it obviously didn't even think about it. They pulled it after one night after losing too much. To be fair, i don't think you can blame them for pulling it. I just think it shows how incompetent some of the management can be to allow this promotion in the first place.

Jude did a great job in turning around the club after the toxic job that was done when he was on his "sabbatical", maybe if he was left run it they way he wanted then we wouldnt be in the situation we are in now.................

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Old 13-04-13, 15:26   #43
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so you feel that the promotions that she introduced were a good thing from a business point of view. IMO if i was the owner of the club and i saw some of the promotions that were introduced id see the amount of money wasted in the poker room and id want to close it as well, maybe if the promotions had an element of common sense in them then maybe they'd have worked instead of costing the club money............so IMO the manager of the poker is to blame for wasting the owners money.




Jude did a great job in turning around the club after the toxic job that was done when he was on his "sabbatical", maybe if he was left run it they way he wanted then we wouldnt be in the situation we are in now.................
But it was making money when the promotions were in place....it was only while she was on holidays and the guarantees and promotions well pulled that it collapsed.

And i am not saying all the ideas were good but this girl was trying her best and feeling her way to see what would work best.

And in regards to the paying out of one of the promotions before it had ended....this was done in order to save the cash game....it was the BEST HAND OF THE MONTH promotion....the dealers had to collect a euro from the button on every hand to swell the pot for this.....so when 4 aces were got early in the month the players were not prepared to pay a euro each in every round to try to beat this hand and the game died completely for 2 weeks....so in the interest of the game the best hand was paid before the end of the month and the cash game started again.and this promotion was scrapped as one of the bad ideas (remember nobody is perfect ).....also the hand that was got afterwards by a player was a royal flush .....and the game where this hand was got would never have taken place if the promotion hadnt been payed out early .....so this point is N/A.
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Old 13-04-13, 15:40   #44
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And i am not saying all the ideas were good but this girl was trying her best and feeling her way to see what would work best.
some people might say that Brian Cowen was a good boy and tried his best........... but the fact still remains that he is still made a bollix of things just like she did

all the points in my original post were my opinions and the opinions of others that i had spoken to, to say a point is n/a is a matter of opinion which you are entitled to express, but a lot of people would tend to disagree with it.

to make a card room work you need a manager with experience in that job, a person with common sense and someone who understands the players, IMHO she didnt tick any of these boxes.
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Old 13-04-13, 15:56   #45
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But it was making money when the promotions were in place....it was only while she was on holidays and the guarantees and promotions well pulled that it collapsed.

And i am not saying all the ideas were good but this girl was trying her best and feeling her way to see what would work best.

And in regards to the paying out of one of the promotions before it had ended....this was done in order to save the cash game....it was the BEST HAND OF THE MONTH promotion....the dealers had to collect a euro from the button on every hand to swell the pot for this.....so when 4 aces were got early in the month the players were not prepared to pay a euro each in every round to try to beat this hand and the game died completely for 2 weeks....so in the interest of the game the best hand was paid before the end of the month and the cash game started again.and this promotion was scrapped as one of the bad ideas (remember nobody is perfect ).....also the hand that was got afterwards by a player was a royal flush .....and the game where this hand was got would never have taken place if the promotion hadnt been payed out early .....so this point is N/A.
Are you associated with the club trying to defend a retarded decision like that? Paying out was crazy given that a straight flush would have taken it and then lo and behold someone binks a royal! Absolute mental carry on but then again they probably knew it was closing and didn't give a shite.
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Old 13-04-13, 16:11   #46
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Jude did a great job in turning around the club after the toxic job that was done when he was on his "sabbatical", maybe if he was left run it they way he wanted then we wouldnt be in the situation we are in now.................
there was no mention of Jude in my post and if I recall correctly, I don't think he was around on said night? Maybe I'm wrong and maybe he was around. Fwiw though, I personally would be a big fan of Jude.

If this certain promotion was his idea, he got it right from the poker player's point of view but wrong from the casino's point of view. The final say on the promotion surely rested with one of the casino managers or bosses or whatever you want to call them, and if they allowed a clearly -EV bet to take place in their casino, then that has to be incompetent. The promotion was a HOUSE GAME promotion, not a poker promotion (the promotion was ON a house game, the prize was a poker prize)
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Old 13-04-13, 16:43   #47
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there was no mention of Jude in my post and if I recall correctly, I don't think he was around on said night? Maybe I'm wrong and maybe he was around. Fwiw though, I personally would be a big fan of Jude.

If this certain promotion was his idea, he got it right from the poker player's point of view but wrong from the casino's point of view. The final say on the promotion surely rested with one of the casino managers or bosses or whatever you want to call them, and if they allowed a clearly -EV bet to take place in their casino, then that has to be incompetent. The promotion was a HOUSE GAME promotion, not a poker promotion (the promotion was ON a house game, the prize was a poker prize)
The league play off was on a Saturday night where 2 players were allowed to substitute in for a play off (which was always against the rules). This was a decision taking by Carmen. When shuffle up and deal was announced I stopped the game from starting until the director on the night confirmed this through both herself and John (overall manager, well at least that was what he though he was) who both were not there. After another 30 mins waiting it was confirmed that we could play or leave (basically go fuck yourselves we are changing the rules because 1 of the players is managing us....) We played on, I bubbled to the same player.

On Sunday, I wrote (as in old school ink and paper ) and handed in a letter of complaint to John marked private about the situation.

On Monday when I walked in a dealer said to me "surprised to see you, though you would be home writing letters". This was also said at the table that night by the same sub above. I decided then that once my leagues were over I was finished with the club. I have been in 3 times this year to basically catch up on the regular's. These new promotions were started that night by Carmen. She called me aside at the start of the night and confirmed that (1) These new promo's were her idea and would run until end of the year, (2) John had told her to let the lads stay in the play off's, (3) That neither she nor John knew their own no subs rule even though everyone else did (4) That I could basically go fuck myself.

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But it was making money when the promotions were in place....it was only while she was on holidays and the guarantees and promotions well pulled that it collapsed.

And i am not saying all the ideas were good but this girl was trying her best and feeling her way to see what would work best.

And in regards to the paying out of one of the promotions before it had ended....this was done in order to save the cash game....it was the BEST HAND OF THE MONTH promotion....the dealers had to collect a euro from the button on every hand to swell the pot for this.....so when 4 aces were got early in the month the players were not prepared to pay a euro each in every round to try to beat this hand and the game died completely for 2 weeks....so in the interest of the game the best hand was paid before the end of the month and the cash game started again.and this promotion was scrapped as one of the bad ideas (remember nobody is perfect ).....also the hand that was got afterwards by a player was a royal flush .....and the game where this hand was got would never have taken place if the promotion hadnt been payed out early .....so this point is N/A.
It's amazing that the same sub above is the same person who got paid out mid month on the jackpot. Again, he managed the management with the same bullshit above. I have no issue with him, he looked for things and they gave them to him.

By the way since private does not mean much. I was talking over a pint with someone about Jude's return. I said I was delighted he was back but gave out about how many got paid on his 1st night back (I told him this). I also said that nothing had changed and he was his usual over the top self (which was a good thing). A couple of nights later I was asked by herself to submit a complaint as she was not happy he was back and that they could start the process of official warnings if I would do this. I told her to go fuck herself.
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Old 13-04-13, 17:32   #48
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The league play off was on a Saturday night where 2 players were allowed to substitute in for a play off (which was always against the rules). This was a decision taking by Carmen. When shuffle up and deal was announced I stopped the game from starting until the director on the night confirmed this through both herself and John (overall manager, well at least that was what he though he was) who both were not there. After another 30 mins waiting it was confirmed that we could play or leave (basically go fuck yourselves we are changing the rules because 1 of the players is managing us....) We played on, I bubbled to the same player.

On Sunday, I wrote (as in old school ink and paper ) and handed in a letter of complaint to John marked private about the situation.

On Monday when I walked in a dealer said to me "surprised to see you, though you would be home writing letters". This was also said at the table that night by the same sub above. I decided then that once my leagues were over I was finished with the club. I have been in 3 times this year to basically catch up on the regular's. These new promotions were started that night by Carmen. She called me aside at the start of the night and confirmed that (1) These new promo's were her idea and would run until end of the year, (2) John had told her to let the lads stay in the play off's, (3) That neither she nor John knew their own no subs rule even though everyone else did (4) That I could basically go fuck myself.
I didn't comment on the subs issue, my post was about that mega texas promo where if u got a straight or better (or something similar) you won a ticket worth €30 for a tournament. I felt this example best demonstrated the simple incompetence of the management.


On the subs issue in that league, from someone effectively on the outside looking in (since I wasn't involved in the league and rarely played tournaments), it seemed like it was another case of inconsistent rulings and incompetent management. I was always under the impression that subs were never allowed in league play offs so to change what seemed to be a house rule on a whim seemed like a joke. However, I doubt any of this was in writing anywhere which was the biggest killer for me. Nothing was ever in black and white, it was always "common knowledge" rulings and procedures. The problem with common knowledge rulings is that they're open to abuse and change since there's no standard to work off.
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Old 14-04-13, 01:50   #49
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Are you associated with the club trying to defend a retarded decision like that? Paying out was crazy given that a straight flush would have taken it and then lo and behold someone binks a royal! Absolute mental carry on but then again they probably knew it was closing and didn't give a shite.
are u stupid or just not able to read.....the players stopped playing....and would have stopped playing until the end of the month....until the promotion was paid out anyway....so it was in the interest of the players and the cash game that it was paid out early....
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The league play off was on a Saturday night where 2 players were allowed to substitute in for a play off (which was always against the rules). This was a decision taking by Carmen. When shuffle up and deal was announced I stopped the game from starting until the director on the night confirmed this through both herself and John (overall manager, well at least that was what he though he was) who both were not there. After another 30 mins waiting it was confirmed that we could play or leave (basically go fuck yourselves we are changing the rules because 1 of the players is managing us....) We played on, I bubbled to the same player.

On Sunday, I wrote (as in old school ink and paper ) and handed in a letter of complaint to John marked private about the situation.

On Monday when I walked in a dealer said to me "surprised to see you, though you would be home writing letters". This was also said at the table that night by the same sub above. I decided then that once my leagues were over I was finished with the club. I have been in 3 times this year to basically catch up on the regular's. These new promotions were started that night by Carmen. She called me aside at the start of the night and confirmed that (1) These new promo's were her idea and would run until end of the year, (2) John had told her to let the lads stay in the play off's, (3) That neither she nor John knew their own no subs rule even though everyone else did (4) That I could basically go fuck myself.



It's amazing that the same sub above is the same person who got paid out mid month on the jackpot. Again, he managed the management with the same bullshit above. I have no issue with him, he looked for things and they gave them to him.

By the way since private does not mean much. I was talking over a pint with someone about Jude's return. I said I was delighted he was back but gave out about how many got paid on his 1st night back (I told him this). I also said that nothing had changed and he was his usual over the top self (which was a good thing). A couple of nights later I was asked by herself to submit a complaint as she was not happy he was back and that they could start the process of official warnings if I would do this. I told her to go fuck herself.
Sad ,Sad men.......I got nothing i wasnt entitled to.....if u read it properly u will understand it.....and i was asked as a friend to be a sub on the night only after he heard that there was already one sub in....anf if ye think that a few members boycotting had anything to do with the closure your wrong......it was one of the owners decision a long time ago and it was always going to happen....just took longer than they thought....and by the way taking free shots and trying to upset a young woman in her present condition makes ye really sad men....or maybe i should leave out the "men" part...
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Neither stupid or illiterate, it's fairly clear that you were the benifitiary of this promotion and you're also the sub who was mentioned. It's people like you that'll gladly suck a place dry of whatever deals they can get their hands on and the rest or the players can go to fuck in your eyes.
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Neither stupid or illiterate, it's fairly clear that you were the benifitiary of this promotion and you're also the sub who was mentioned. It's people like you that'll gladly suck a place dry of whatever deals they can get their hands on and the rest or the players can go to fuck in your eyes.
Keep your stupidity and FOUL language for your friends.......
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Grow the fuck up lads its a cardroom closing thread nothing else

I don't think you boys are even taking each others points of view on board.
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Seems amazing that a city the size of Limerick can't sustain a viable card room! I think the lack of a player pool willing to play decent games has a lot to do with it though!
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The reason it is closing is obv because it was not making money. 100% this was due to mis management and by that I mean John and not Carmen.

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Sad ,Sad men.......I got nothing i wasnt entitled to

You won the jackpot for high hand of the month where you did not have the high hand of the month? You won a ticket as a sub where no subs were allowed? The objection's on the night were ignored ONLY because they did not have the balls to tell you they fucked up as they were afraid to upset you. Once again, I have no issue whatsoever with you in either situation but these are prime examples of the ethos that went on.

.....if u read it properly u will understand it.....and i was asked as a friend to be a sub on the night only after he heard that there was already one sub in....anf if ye think that a few members boycotting had anything to do with the closure your wrong

I think that over the last couple of years the many many regulars that left / boycotted is the very reason they failed to make a profit which is why it is closing...

...it was one of the owners decision a long time ago and it was always going to happen....just took longer than they thought....and by the way taking free shots and trying to upset a young woman in her present condition makes ye really sad men....or maybe i should leave out the "men" part...
I'm giving my view and as I'm not a regular anymore I have no idea what you mean by present condition but there are stories / incidents here reported by many as to what went wrong. I can see why someone would be upset if these many stories were untrue....so let them come on and put to shame all the post's that are lies...
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The reason it is closing is obv because it was not making money. 100% this was due to mis management and by that I mean John and not Carmen.



I'm giving my view and as I'm not a regular anymore I have no idea what you mean by present condition but there are stories / incidents here reported by many as to what went wrong. I can see why someone would be upset if these many stories were untrue....so let them come on and put to shame all the post's that are lies...
i am really going to get annoyed if this rubbish keeps up.....now ALAN...i wasnt the only sub on the night ...in fact Lenny only asked me late to sub him after he heard that there was already a sub in......the problem seems to be is that i won a ticket...if not then can you direct all further comments and posts on this matter to the original substitute.

and regarding the best hand of the month......I got 4 aces on the 1st of the month....and the players refused to pay 1 euro a pot to try and beat this hand....so for 2 weeks there was NO cash game and this would have continued until the end of the month if i hadnt been paid out early.....so whatever hand was got after that is immaterial as the game wouldnt have taken place.....the man that got the better hand afterwards accepts and understands this.....so i dont see why its causing you and others a problem....
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i am really going to get annoyed if this rubbish keeps up.....now ALAN...i wasnt the only sub on the night ...in fact Lenny only asked me late to sub him after he heard that there was already a sub in......the problem seems to be is that i won a ticket...if not then can you direct all further comments and posts on this matter to the original substitute.

and regarding the best hand of the month......I got 4 aces on the 1st of the month....and the players refused to pay 1 euro a pot to try and beat this hand....so for 2 weeks there was NO cash game and this would have continued until the end of the month if i hadnt been paid out early.....so whatever hand was got after that is immaterial as the game wouldnt have taken place.....the man that got the better hand afterwards accepts and understands this.....so i dont see why its causing you and others a problem....
Your missing the point. On the night the other sub was being verbally abused before we started and was being told he should leave. I actually stuck up for him, told the other guy at my table to stop the abuse as both of ye were playing for someone else. The issue was that management should never allowed it and should then have corrected the error during the hour we sat looking at each other. It was confirmed to me later Pat by the manager that they would have asked the subs to leave except you were one of them. Being one of their most valued punters, they (John) bottled it.

And again, thank's for confirming you won the jackpot without having the best hand. I'm sure there would have being no cash games during the last 2 weeks of December if they had not paid out, it's usually a very quite time for poker.... It's not causing a problem (you are the one getting annoyed), it's one of many examples of why the club has stopped running tournaments.

Let's agree to disagree...maybe the management / owner's etc could come on and comment on the many post's on the subject.
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Jesus 710suited, defensive much? Stick around, you can become a reg here now that the club is fucked
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Let's agree to disagree...maybe the management / owner's etc could come on and comment on the many post's on the subject.
Nah, they're way too busy advertising their €30 cash tables on Facebook with their €2 beer and hot paninis
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Nah, they're way too busy advertising their €30 cash tables on Facebook with their €2 beer and hot paninis

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