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    Full table playing very loose and while nobody has done anything too out of line tonight there would often be a strange decisions being taken. Villain is a reg and generally wins in this game.
    Average stack at the table is €600ish I have 2k and villain has €780.

    I'm UTG and limp with 6 9s 10 Js 4 others limp behind villain on the BB makes it €30 everybody calls.

    Flop 10,10s,5s BB bets €150 I call (????) everybody else folds.

    Turn 4

    BB bets pot €480.... easy fold here?
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    #2
    As played i am calling , i put him on the over pair with the higher flush draw so your ahead atm . I would be willing to gamble here .
    I probably would have raised his flop bet though with top set and the FD

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      #3
      Originally posted by DAMO72 View Post
      As played i am calling , i put him on the over pair with the higher flush draw so your ahead atm . I would be willing to gamble here .
      I probably would have raised his flop bet though with top set and the FD
      Agree with Damo I'm calling here and raising the flop
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        #4
        Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
        Agree with Damo I'm calling here and raising the flop
        Dont be agreeing with me , thats why i am broke .
        Ask chuck, he will tell you how bad i run .

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          #5
          It's all fairly standard apart from preflop obv
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            #6
            Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
            It's all fairly standard apart from preflop obv

            Are you raising with this hand 100% of the time pre?
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              #7
              Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
              BB bets pot €480.... easy fold here?
              Uh. Had my response done and had the 4 from "4 others" as part of your hand so thought you'd 2nd nuts and were being a ridic nit!!

              Yep, it's a fold for me. When you flat the flop he'd need balls of steel to ship into you on the turn without a ten or 55.

              Edit: Just to say that if the villain was Damo I'd call because he's got 10,5 and I'll hit the river for sure. Prob call just to be ahead when I put in the last €120!!
              Last edited by NuckChorris; 30-09-10, 10:42.

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                #8
                Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
                Are you raising with this hand 100% of the time pre?
                He's open folding.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NuckChorris View Post
                  He's open folding.
                  I'm not folding this type of hand very often in this sort of game.

                  Most of the time 5-7 players see the flop & I think we are deep enough to chase draws a lot of the time.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
                    I'm not folding this type of hand very often in this sort of game.
                    Me neither. That's the problem with asking for theory on a lot of live omaha hands. If three cards offer me a lot of potential then I'm in the pot. Theoretically wrong but live omaha cash games are so loose and the standard can be so bad that you're not going to get yourself into too much trouble without hitting hard and the payoffs can be huge.

                    By the book you should only have a pair from 99 upwards or 4 straightening cards with maybe one gap (6,8,9,10) suited.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by NuckChorris View Post
                      Uh. Had my response done and had the 4 from "4 others" as part of your hand so thought you'd 2nd nuts and were being a ridic nit!!

                      Yep, it's a fold for me. When you flat the flop he'd need balls of steel to ship into you on the turn without a ten or 55.

                      Edit: Just to say that if the villain was Damo I'd call because he's got 10,5 and I'll hit the river for sure. Prob call just to be ahead when I put in the last €120!!
                      The bolded statement is a total lie and pure BS .
                      You couldn't fold if you tried ya fish

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by NuckChorris View Post
                        Me neither. That's the problem with asking for theory on a lot of live omaha hands. If three cards offer me a lot of potential then I'm in the pot. Theoretically wrong but live omaha cash games are so loose and the standard can be so bad that you're not going to get yourself into too much trouble without hitting hard and the payoffs can be huge.

                        By the book you should only have a pair from 99 upwards or 4 straightening cards with maybe one gap (6,8,9,10) suited.
                        I'd much sooner play this hand in position than UTG.
                        Limp calling UTG with this holding is burning money imo
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by NuckChorris View Post
                          By the book you should only have a pair from 99 upwards or 4 straightening cards with maybe one gap (6,8,9,10) suited.
                          I've never come across a book about playing live cash poker in Ireland
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                            #14
                            Fold pre, position position position. Flop call is good if we raise we only get called by better and are turning our hand into a bluff. And lol at folding here on the turn if he has T5 its a cooler. If he is a competent player like you said he will have a very tight raising range from the bb which usually wont contain T5.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by DAMO72 View Post
                              I probably would have raised his flop bet though with top set and the FD
                              We don't have top set, or even a set. THere is a world of difference betwen a set and trips in PLO.

                              Originally posted by TrEMOlo1 View Post
                              Fold pre, position position position. Flop call is good if we raise we only get called by better and are turning our hand into a bluff. And lol at folding here on the turn if he has T5 its a cooler. If he is a competent player like you said he will have a very tight raising range from the bb which usually wont contain T5.
                              You do relise that almost every T in his range beats us, not just T5.
                              AATJ, KQJT, QQJT type hands all make up a decent chunk of his range as played.

                              After you call the flop I can't see how he pots without a hand that beats you. This is assuming you description of a competant winning player is accurate obv.

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                                #16
                                Tremolo is making the same error that Nuck did with thinking the op had a 4 in his hand.

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                                  #17
                                  Must be, I can see why the OP is a little unclear,

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
                                    I'm not folding this type of hand very often in this sort of game.

                                    Most of the time 5-7 players see the flop & I think we are deep enough to chase draws a lot of the time.
                                    OK this thread has made no sense so far but this statement makes it even worse.

                                    Pre-flop:
                                    This is a fold pre-flop. Seeing a flop 5 handed with this hand is going to get you in all kinds of trouble. Other than flopping the nuts you're often going to be in spots like this one with a worthless flush draw and a terrible terrible 10.

                                    As Mellor has said basically we are behind a massive amount of his range by the flop, nevermind the turn.

                                    If this game is as bad as you say then play tighter, bet hard and stop limping UTG with this type of hand. In this game if you are limp-calling this hand then you are the bad player.

                                    On the flop:
                                    Given he bet 150 I am assuming there were 5 players in the hand. So it's checked to him by the 1st player (if it's a loose game then I imagine the SB called) and he pots it into 4 other players on a paired board. If your description is even slightly accurate that he is a winner in this game he can't be too retarded. Would he ever c-bet AAxx or KKxx without a 10 in his hand?
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                                      #19
                                      get them in you fish..... and as for that nuclklehead norris... he calls a preflop 4 bet with K 3 4 5
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                                        #20
                                        Also, given that be made it 30 after 5 limpers, I would imagine that this is a 2/5 game (or that its NLO??) so you are only playing average effective 120BB deep. (150 with the villian, but by the time its heads up its no longer relevant)

                                        The fact that a everyone else is playign loose isn't a reason to play loose, poker 101 was something along the lines of play opposite to the table. Often people justify, including me, played looser in a loose game as we'll get paid off. But this should refer to implies odds, not spazing out PF.

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                                          #21
                                          This thread is seriously confusing.

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                                            #22
                                            easy fold on the turn, you're all fish. preflop is a fold too of course.

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by westlife View Post
                                              get them in you fish..... and as for that nuclklehead norris... he calls a preflop 4 bet with K 3 4 5
                                              but they were double-soooooooted

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                                                #24
                                                Fold utg...
                                                Fold to pf raise...
                                                Calling flop is fine, as said villian only calls your raise with a better hand...
                                                Fold turn...

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                                                  #25
                                                  Ye i made an error in reading the hh, i guess it happens while you post and multitable. Pretty easy/standard fold now

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                                                    #26
                                                    Looks like a nice game...
                                                    Fold pre, fold now.

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                                                      #27
                                                      I'd open this pre in all positions. Personally I think its strong enough.

                                                      Tricky enough then on turn, probably a fold. How bad is he? How much range can you assign to AA and big pair with fd? Good chance if he does have a 10 he has a pair in his hand too after potting from the BB. So you can have alot of outs then. Overall though it feels like a fold.

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                                                        #28
                                                        There must be a lot of wind up merchants posting replies!!

                                                        Tom

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by Tom Hanlon View Post
                                                          There must be a lot of wind up merchants posting replies!!

                                                          Tom
                                                          Are you folding here Tom ???

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                                                            #30
                                                            Would be very interested to hear what Mr Hanlon would do as I've played with him a bit and am pretty sure he would never fold this hand pre flop in this game.

                                                            Anyway I called and he put his last few chips before the dealer turned the river Q.

                                                            I called and he showed As K 10 4s.

                                                            Thanks for the reply's.
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                                                              #31
                                                              J1096 is a perfectly acceptable hand to play with as long it costing you a very small percentage of you stack and that it is only a simall percentage of raiser stack. Especially in a live ring game where you will have a decent radar of other players ranges. You need to play some hands in order to get paid especially in a loose game.....as long as you dont get sucked into the bingo mentality.

                                                              My initial comment was based on the fact that I thought you had turned a house.................(.I'm UTG and limp with 6 9s 10 Js 4 others limp ) if this wwere the case its an easy play.......please put your last $250 in the pot sir.

                                                              Now to the actual hand. You will already have intimate table knowlege and I assume the raiser is not a steamer that will pot this flop with AA or even KK so we can safely assume he has a 10. If he has a 10 we are ahead of only a few possible hands like 10987, or 10976 or something similiar. I am not worried about him having a house as he needs a dangler here to have one. He is more likely to have something like AKJ10, KQJ10, QJ109, AAK10, KK10X, QQJ10 or aomething in this ballpark. your best chance to hit is when he doesnt have any of your cards so lest assume this senario......you have at best 9 cards to hit and will only be getting paid 5/2 for your $480.....we can assume the other $250 will be going in.

                                                              NOW THIS ALL CHANGES.........

                                                              When he (and you) have a pot sized stack ($1440) for the river bet. Now if you hit you are getting 5/1 for your $480......this improves to 6/1 if you both have $1920.....he is still betting the river........this improves to 7/1 if you both have $2400 and so on.....if you get the picture!!

                                                              Anyway thats my 2 cents.

                                                              Tom

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                                                                #32
                                                                i couldnt sleep at night if i open folded this in any position

                                                                turn is awkward -i would be surprised if he has less than A10 or 55 so meh if i was playing well i would pass and if i was tilted i would stick the loot in
                                                                Last edited by reilly110; 08-10-10, 00:41.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  I fold this UTG and the turn is a fold too. Villian is strong

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