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    this is final table,i am 7th of 8 could i fold this hand

    PokerStars Game #40580880413: Tournament #288010612, $30+$3 USD HORSE (Razz Limit) - Level XVIII (3000/6000) - 2010/03/03 0:38:41 WET [2010/03/02 19:38:41 ET]
    Table '288010612 11' 8-max
    Seat 1: jerseyg610 (23038 in chips)
    Seat 2: peteypop999 (23317 in chips)
    Seat 3: Timmy K (119180 in chips)
    Seat 5: 134R134R (70380 in chips)
    Seat 6: waynie57 (86881 in chips)
    Seat 7: Polo2b01 (77243 in chips)
    Seat 8: Riverwharfe (46961 in chips)
    peteypop999: posts the ante 600
    Timmy K: posts the ante 600
    134R134R: posts the ante 600
    waynie57: posts the ante 600
    Polo2b01: posts the ante 600
    Riverwharfe: posts the ante 600
    jerseyg610: posts the ante 600
    *** 3rd STREET ***
    Dealt to jerseyg610 [4c]
    Dealt to peteypop999 [3c 5d Qs]
    Dealt to Timmy K [2d]
    Dealt to 134R134R [Kd]
    Dealt to waynie57 [Jd]
    Dealt to Polo2b01 [Qc]
    Dealt to Riverwharfe [2c]
    134R134R: brings in for 900
    waynie57: folds
    Polo2b01: folds
    Riverwharfe: folds
    jerseyg610: calls 900
    peteypop999: calls 900
    Timmy K: raises 2100 to 3000
    134R134R: calls 2100
    jerseyg610: calls 2100
    peteypop999: calls 2100
    *** 4th STREET ***
    Dealt to jerseyg610 [4c] [Ts]
    Dealt to peteypop999 [3c 5d Qs] [4h]
    Dealt to Timmy K [2d] [Ad]
    Dealt to 134R134R [Kd] [8s]
    Timmy K: bets 3000
    134R134R: calls 3000
    jerseyg610: folds
    peteypop999: calls 3000
    *** 5th STREET ***
    Dealt to peteypop999 [3c 5d Qs 4h] [7s]
    Dealt to Timmy K [2d Ad] [7d]
    Dealt to 134R134R [Kd 8s] [3h]
    Timmy K: bets 6000
    134R134R: calls 6000
    peteypop999: calls 6000
    *** 6th STREET ***
    Dealt to peteypop999 [3c 5d Qs 4h 7s] [8d]
    Dealt to Timmy K [2d Ad 7d] [Ac]
    Dealt to 134R134R [Kd 8s 3h] [6s]
    peteypop999: bets 6000
    Timmy K: folds
    134R134R: raises 6000 to 12000
    peteypop999: calls 4717 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (1283) returned to 134R134R
    *** RIVER ***
    Dealt to peteypop999 [3c 5d Qs 4h 7s 8d] [Kc]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    peteypop999: shows [3c 5d Qs 4h 7s 8d Kc] (Lo: 8,7,5,4,3)
    134R134R: shows [Ah 5s Kd 8s 3h 6s 5h] (Lo: 8,6,5,3,A)
    134R134R collected 64634 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 64634 | Rake 0
    Seat 1: jerseyg610 folded on the 4th Street
    Seat 2: peteypop999 showed [3c 5d Qs 4h 7s 8d Kc] and lost with Lo: 8,7,5,4,3
    Seat 3: Timmy K folded on the 6th Street
    Seat 5: 134R134R showed [Ah 5s Kd 8s 3h 6s 5h] and won (64634) with Lo: 8,6,5,3,A
    Seat 6: waynie57 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
    Seat 7: Polo2b01 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Riverwharfe folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

    opinions please any razzers,zutroy,flushdraw,daire,oz
    Last edited by peteypop; 03-03-10, 00:50.

    #2
    Well I'd fold 3rd for sure
    Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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      #3
      I fold everywhere. The original raiser has A27 showing by 5th, are you counting on him being paired? Your lowdraw isn't even that strong.

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        #4
        Snap fold 3rd
        The mistake on 3rd compounds itself through the hand. If you're going to play Q53, don't play it with the Q up ever. The fact there there's 2 deuces and a 4 dead make 3rd worse again. The rest of the hand is very borderline and reverse implied odds are pretty strong. 5th is where you have to make a disciplined fold and 6th is just throwing money away.

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          #5
          Yeah i agree with everyone in this hand. It's a bit of a hopeful hand where we need to get incredibly lucky.

          I'd fold at every opportunity and just wait until you can find a better spot to get your chips. Having a Q up makes your hand pretty horrible and you have to run really good to avoid pairing up and filling a decent low. You're really only playing the hand as a bluff catcher. If i proceed with the hand from here, i'm still folding on each street.

          On 4th, if you think the A paired Timmy, you should still give him credit for a decent 3 card hand when he leads out. Even if he has AA52, he's still ahead of you with Q543 imo.

          On 5th, 134R134R calling with a worse hand than you might seem like you're getting a good price, but i'd rather lay it down here too. 134R should have some of our outs and even if we make our low, it might be no good against either of these players. You're up against the chip leader, and i've noticed that the chip lead is a very powerful tool in mixed games because people tend to chase a lot so putting maximum pressure on people is gold. If you have any cause to believe that he's at it, he's still going to have outs to improve and our hand doesn't play that good multiway.

          On 6th, despite Timmys A pairing, 134R134R makes his low. You have to give him credit for an 86 low so betting into him with out 87 low is pretty bad.

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            #6
            Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
            Snap fold 3rd
            The mistake on 3rd compounds itself through the hand. If you're going to play Q53, don't play it with the Q up ever. The fact there there's 2 deuces and a 4 dead make 3rd worse again. The rest of the hand is very borderline and reverse implied odds are pretty strong. 5th is where you have to make a disciplined fold and 6th is just throwing money away.
            .

            Also Detracts from snow quality on further streets
            Last edited by iSnow; 03-03-10, 14:47.

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              #7
              I dunno what you're trying to say. Snowing in Razz is pretty irrelevant.

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                #8
                Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
                I dunno what you're trying to say. Snowing in Razz is pretty irrelevant.
                If you say so...

                I'll go through my HH's and try to find you a peach

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                  #9
                  Well I don't know what you're defining as snowing tbh! In non draw games its just called bluffing to the best of my knowledge

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                    #10
                    Snowing
                    Snowing is a very important weapon to add to your 2-7 arsenal. What you do, is you wait to be dealt trip, or even quad 2s, before the draw. This is just about the only time you should attempt to snow. When you are holding 3/4 or all 4 of the deuces, it makes it much harder for other players to make a decent hand, and good players who don't play without a 2 won't even come along with you. Anyways, rather than drawing, you stand pat, and bet and raise at every opportunity. Alternately, you might choose to draw 1 on the first draw and then stand pat. Remember, the whole key is to be aggressive. Make your opponents think you have a monster hand and force them to fold. If you get reraised however, it's time to give it up and either fold, or start drawing and hope you get lucky.
                    .

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                      #11
                      That is a pretty terrible piece.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
                        Well I don't know what you're defining as snowing tbh! In non draw games its just called bluffing to the best of my knowledge
                        Apologies, I'm mainly an 8-Game player and I generalise all bluffs as "snows".
                        Saves time when multitabling I suppose!

                        Eg. Can't believe I paid you off...looked like a (Scans for draw,flop,stud game for correct term)

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