Cash game, sb and button get all in preflop. Button made the last aggressive action, sb called. Who shows first?
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostWhy button? TDA rules are that if there is no aggressive action on the river then you revert to position.
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Originally posted by corkie123 View Postbutton first but really if it pre flop should it really matter there been like children who goes first if that happened
On a single hand it makes little difference. But if somebody was constantly showing their hand when they didn't have to. It amounts to a lot of free information over time, in particular calling range. If its a game among regulars, this isn't worthless info.
Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostWhy button? TDA rules are that if there is no aggressive action on the river then you revert to position.
Last aggressive action appears best to me.Last edited by Mellor; 18-11-14, 08:59.
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostWhy does the fact that its preflop mean are they being like children?
Originally posted by Mellor View Post
It's a cash game. TDA rules don't apply.
Last aggressive action makes appears best to me.
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostWhat rules apply then? Why would/should this rule be different in a cash game than a tournament?
A tourney is different to a cash game because it doesn't occur in a tourney. In a tourney once all-in both players flip their hands before the flop/turn/river is dealt.
But not in a cash game. The first player shows his hand, and subsequent players have the option if mucking losing hands without showing.Last edited by Mellor; 18-11-14, 09:12.
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Originally posted by Jam-Fly View Postthere's no action on river therefore I'd think that part of the rule null and void and it would revert to last aggressive action.Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostDo you mean there CAN be no action on river?
I prefer the old school 'I called you' scenario, so the button should show first.
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Originally posted by Flushdraw View PostNo, he means all the action was preflop so there was no betting on the river.
I prefer the old school 'I called you' scenario, so the button should show first.
I don't have any particular preference one way or the other, but I think its something that is ruled incorrectly/inconsistently quite often in ireland.
I played in Berlin a lot this year and one thing I loved there was how strict the dealers were with regard to showdown order, we waste a lot of time in Ireland with people reluctant to show or showing only one card etc.
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Originally posted by Mellor View PostI suppose the house rules would apply. It does matter which is used as long as it's consistently applied.
A tourney is different to a cash game because it doesn't occur in a tourney. In a tourney once all-in both players flip their hands before the flop/turn/river is dealt.
But not in a cash game. The first player shows his hand, and subsequent players have the option if mucking losing hands without showing.
I don't think most places have house rules covering this situation (I might be wrong), so the TDA rules would apply. The Fitz has their own rule regarding showdown order, which is the same as TDA but the cutoff is preflop rather than the turn.
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Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostWhat he said doesn't make sense.
I don't have any particular preference one way or the other, but I think its something that is ruled incorrectly/inconsistently quite often in ireland.
I played in Berlin a lot this year and one thing I loved there was how strict the dealers were with regard to showdown order, we waste a lot of time in Ireland with people reluctant to show or showing only one card etc.
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Originally posted by Jam-Fly View Postthere's no action on river therefore I'd think that part of the rule null and void and it would revert to last aggressive action.Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostDo you mean there CAN be no action on river?
Originally posted by Hectorjelly View PostYou can have the exact same situation in a tournament, button makes last aggressive action preflop (but not all in) and its checked to the river.
Also +1 to the delay of showing hands. Busquet and Negreanu had a bit of an argument on Twitter about it a while back. Busquet said something along the lines of "If you're first to show at a showdown, doing anything other than turning your hand face up or mucking is angle shooting, plain and simple". Whether or not he's completely correct in what he's saying, I think if that thinking became the standard it would at least speed things up at showdown. The sitting there saying "two pair" or "I'd say you have it" is very annoying.
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