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Old 01-10-14, 15:56   #3261
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Don't like the river fold in hand 1 given how often we chop vs his 5x. He needs very very few Ax/bluffs to make it a call.

Hand 2 I fold flop 4 way given texture + likelihood of expensive showdown with very little chance of improvement, esp if others left to act behind. Def folding turn doesn't seem close at all.
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Old 02-10-14, 07:31   #3262
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I wouldnt dream of folding the first, no way this is profitable live, you would not believe the amount of times this will be a x.


Second one looks a handy enough fold, although his bet sizing is telling you he is not nutted. Looks really like some sort of combo, can have you dead to better two pairs, and even when he is going buck wild with some kq, aq hand we lose a fair bit. Happy to fold the second one.

Played a lot of deep, what I feel are interesting hands lately, might lash some up here.
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Old 03-10-14, 22:30   #3263
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I wouldnt dream of folding the first, no way this is profitable live, you would not believe the amount of times this will be a x.


Second one looks a handy enough fold, although his bet sizing is telling you he is not nutted. Looks really like some sort of combo, can have you dead to better two pairs, and even when he is going buck wild with some kq, aq hand we lose a fair bit. Happy to fold the second one.

Played a lot of deep, what I feel are interesting hands lately, might lash some up here.
I don't think its often Ax, not with the large river bet. You are probably right about it being an unprofitable fold (or at least calling would be profitable, folding is always neutral)

Both hands the villain kindly showed me their hand, 8Qspades for hand 1 (ie nothing) and the bare nut flush draw in hand 2.

Hand 1 I don't like my line as if I'm planning on folding to a river bet I should just fold the flop (which I considered) as I can't trust the guys actions. Against most players I can call the flop as I'll get a lot of information from then on and I can interpret their actions, ie most players will only fire x amount of barrels, or will give bet sizing tells.

Hand 2 I think is a tough one, from talking to the guy after I could tell it was based mainly on frustration from hours of playing me, I probably should have taken this more into account, or just fold the flop as winning says as there are plenty of people behind me and my equity isn't that great against any range, I'm not even that far ahead of AQ
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Old 03-10-14, 22:36   #3264
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So did you beat him up in the taxi ? :-)
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Old 03-10-14, 22:50   #3265
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No I won a couple of pots off him and he self excluded himself from the place before leaving
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Old 03-10-14, 22:56   #3266
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In hand one, how often is the table 3-betting? Is AK and AQ always being 3-bet by the BB here? Based on the game dynamics, would BB value-betting Ax not make sense (if you've shown a tendency to call him down)? I think I pay it off in hand one.

Hand two, I like a fold. Don't think you're ever in great shape here. It could be combo draw hands, but I've seen plenty of live players make this play with sets to protect their hand and that.
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Old 07-12-14, 04:52   #3267
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Made a bad call live on the turn, got lucky on the river and won almost exactly a 1k pot. And I felt terrible after, some strange mixture of shame, sadness and glee. A strange feeling.
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Old 07-12-14, 11:43   #3268
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havent read through the results but did notice some suggest folding 52o pre with a drunk bad tilted player in a live 1-2 game 600 deep. whatever about hero folding at some point in the hand folding pretty much any two seems a waste.

as for hand two. calling the flop bet and re evaluating turn is clearly the right thing to do. folding turn seems fine given your limited reads.

your folds dont strike me as ridiculous at all but i guess you are using ridiculous in the sense that it was 'ridiculous' to find yourself having to fold esp for hand 1
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Old 07-12-14, 15:43   #3269
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havent read through the results but did notice some suggest folding 52o pre with a drunk bad tilted player in a live 1-2 game 600 deep. whatever about hero folding at some point in the hand folding pretty much any two seems a waste.
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your folds dont strike me as ridiculous at all but i guess you are using ridiculous in the sense that it was 'ridiculous' to find yourself having to fold esp for hand 1
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Ridiculous as I don't think most people fold them, I did and I was wrong in each case!
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Old 08-12-14, 00:19   #3270
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Quick hand

I'm 29/290 in the storm and i've just moved to this table and this is the 2nd hand. Easy reshove?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 15,000/30,000 Blinds 3,000 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP2 (t489,768)
MP3 (t450,722)
CO (t129,420)
Button (t469,103)
Hero (SB) (t1,231,768)
BB (t877,487)
UTG (t641,311)
UTG+1 (t1,321,352)
MP1 (t379,831)

Hero's M: 17.11

Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
UTG raises to t638,311 (All-In), 6 folds, Hero ?
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Old 08-12-14, 00:54   #3271
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Yes. I definitely reshove there. If someone gets in before you, you can think about folding but if BB is lucky enough to wake up with a hand so be it. Surely if he has a monster he goes for a min raise out of that stack?
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Old 08-12-14, 02:37   #3272
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it all depends its close, how good is he ? you need roughly around 58% equity so if he shoving a range of 88+kjof-k10suited+then this be just about a call any tighter id fold
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Old 08-12-14, 08:31   #3273
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Don't like the river fold in hand 1 given how often we chop vs his 5x. He needs very very few Ax/bluffs to make it a call.

Hand 2 I fold flop 4 way given texture + likelihood of expensive showdown with very little chance of improvement, esp if others left to act behind. Def folding turn doesn't seem close at all.
Folding flop because there are players behind seems way too nitty given how wide players are generally calling a single 3x raise in a live 1-2 game.

Bottom two in that kind of game will be by far the best hand well often enough to compensate for the times we're in a reverse implied odds situation in my experience.

These games don't play like and online full ring game where ranges in spots like this are way more defined.

And facing an expensive showdown shouldn't matter alot in a cash game if we're there with the correct range and are properly rolled, right?
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Old 08-12-14, 14:48   #3274
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[QUOTE=jazzyfish;859280]it all depends its close, how good is he ? you need roughly around 58% equity so if he shoving a range of 88+kjof-k10suited+then this be just about a call any tighter id fold[/QUOT

my bad was half asleep looking at this more like 55% 99+KQ,of+k10,suited
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Old 08-12-14, 15:48   #3275
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it all depends its close, how good is he ? you need roughly around 58% equity so if he shoving a range of 88+kjof-k10suited+then this be just about a call any tighter id fold
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my bad was half asleep looking at this more like 55% 99+KQ,of+k10,suited
Wasn't sure how good he was because i had no reads and his SS stats are blocked. I'm not sure his shoving range should include AA-KK, so i pretty much snapped. He did have KK though. Just thought it was weird because he had a pretty nice stack to min UTG and try and get some action, or maybe he relies on guys like me thinking this is 77-JJ and AK type shove
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Old 06-02-15, 12:08   #3276
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Old 22-02-15, 19:30   #3277
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Had a funny hand last night. I limp 88 utg. Flop is 822, everyone checks. Turn K, checked to me and I bet, sb raises I call. River is a 2. Check, bet, fold getting about 8-1. If I was playing really well I would have just checked the river back.
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Old 05-07-15, 23:59   #3278
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I usually play about a month of poker a year. I got quite sick earlier in the year, and had to leave work/college. Since then I've been looking to fill my time with something. I figure I plan to make enough to buy one of the tracking software programs, as a first goal.

Am I just plain wrong for playing this hand?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

MP2 ($2)
CO ($2.90)
Button ($2.31)
Hero (SB) ($1.43)
BB ($2)
UTG ($2)
UTG+1 ($1.33)
MP1 ($7.06)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, A
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, 3 folds, Button calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.03, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.16) 9, A, 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.04, 1 fold, Button raises to $0.16, Hero calls $0.12

I have 22/23 hands on the villain, all at this table. He's VP13 PR4. He's only played four of the 24 hands and every single one of them has been with an Ace, the lowest he's gone is A7s, but AKo and AJo has come up. He's always gone to showdown.

Turn: ($0.48) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $0.26, Button raises to $1.90, I'm between 50% and 66% on him having KQs here. So if I'm 33% on having him beaten with him trying to push me off with AKo/AQo and I have my A/9 outs, am I right to call with everything here? I know it purely comes down to calculating the value of how often win with my outs and what I have him on.
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I figure calling is just plain wrong looking back on this.
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Old 06-07-15, 02:29   #3279
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Don't donk lead, just check call each street and evaluate on river, probably folding to a big bet on the river unimproved. Donking achieves nothing unless you have a specific objective with it.
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Old 06-07-15, 15:16   #3280
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I just want to talk about this because it made my afternoon, gettin' the fecker right in the tits. I had lost half my buy-in and was a little annoyed but trying to stay calm. I didn't seem to be getting hands and when I did get something the flop didn't come my way with some weird aggression going on, from a few players before and from the guy I'm going to talk about here.

So this guy joins the table. I have no hand history on him. He plays with the very first hand he's dealt with posting a BB.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Hero (CO): $1.27
BTN: $2.00
SB: $1.89
BB: $2.47
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $1.22
UTG+2: $2.34
MP1: $2.00
MP2: $2.00

MP2 posts a big blind ($0.02)

Pre Flop: ($0.05) Hero is CO with 7 7
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, 2 folds, MP2 raises to $0.06, Hero calls $0.06, 3 folds, UTG+1 raises to $0.10, MP2 calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.33) 8 8 A (3 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.02, MP2 calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.14, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.63) 2 (2 players)
MP2 bets $0.30,
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The same guy is playing here.

Poker Stars $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Hero (UTG+2): $1.03
MP1: $2.00
MP2: $1.88
CO: $2.56
BTN: $2.00
SB: $1.03
BB: $2.32
UTG: $2.00
UTG+1: $2.37

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG+2 with T K
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.02, Hero calls $0.02, 4 folds, SB calls $0.01, BB checks

Flop: ($0.08) 2 K T (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets $0.08, Hero raises to $0.16, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.40) 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.02, Hero raises to $0.10, UTG+1 calls $0.08

River: ($0.60) A (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $2.09 all in, Hero calls $0.75 all in

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And that one hand meant I had $0.03 profit after being almost a dollar below my buy in at that table.
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