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Old 06-05-15, 16:44   #21
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Hand 1 is a fold
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Old 06-05-15, 17:38   #22
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I would be 3bettng the flop to about 5/6k but now I think you have to fold which you did, wp, surprised at the shove by downtown tbh, has to fold imo, shitty board for AA with 7 players.
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Old 06-05-15, 17:42   #23
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I don't like the fold at all, against the exact hands the opponents hand its pretty much neutral

Hold'em Simulation
903 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 6c 4c 3s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
Ad Ah 1.88% 14 9
5c 7c 69.32% 623 9
4d 4h 28.79% 257 9

Against likely ranges you are a pretty big fav:

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board: 6c 4c 3s
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AA, QQ, 66, 44, 33, 5s7s, Ac c 21.11% 77,813 8,657
57s, 66, 44, 33, 64s, 65s 35.70% 133,679 8,657
4d 4h 43.19% 162,723 7,907


Ac c is any club draw
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Old 06-05-15, 17:49   #24
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I don't like the fold at all
Not sure I like the fold either despite the outcome, hence the thread.

Would a better structured tournament affect your decision?*

*not that I'm criticizing the structure, it is what it is for a one night tournie but say it was a 2/3 day game?
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Old 06-05-15, 17:54   #25
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I still cannot believe you folded Dice.
Was being knocked out early a factor?
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Old 06-05-15, 17:56   #26
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Not sure I like the fold either despite the outcome, hence the thread.

Would a better structured tournament affect your decision?
If the players ranges were different then I suppose so, but the way the action goes the original raiser gets to put all his chips in first with quite a lot of perceived fold equity, and the flop raiser doesn't need to have a set, so that means they can both have a reasonably wide range of hands. To put it bluntly if player 1 is in anyway aggressive he is going to shove almost any club draw. If the stacks were deeper it would be a very different hand.

If you change your hand to 33 your equity goes way down against their ranges.

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AA, QQ, 66, 44, 33, 5s7s, Ac c 23.63% 86,604 8,609
57s, 66, 44, 33, 64s, 65s 48.12% 179,530 8,585
3d 3h 28.25% 104,517 7,859

Similarly if you had raised the original bet the hand would have been totally different.
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Old 06-05-15, 18:14   #27
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I still cannot believe you folded Dice.
Was being knocked out early a factor?
No
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Old 06-05-15, 18:37   #28
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Such an odd line by DT, I'm sure most of not all would go broke here
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Old 06-05-15, 18:45   #29
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Such an odd line by DT, I'm sure most of not all would go broke here
Go broke With the set? Not necessarily. I folded a set of 6's on the turn last night in a three way pot on a Q106x board with 2 hearts and 2 diamonds. Went to showdown and the guy had 10's. Felt a bit sick folding it but was happy to see the 10's. Every hand that's not the nuts is "foldable".

I don't see how this hand isn't a fold. 7 way pot and major action. Obviously it's a lot harder to lay down in game.
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Go broke With the set? Not necessarily. I folded a set of 6's on the turn last night in a three way pot on a Q106x board with 2 hearts and 2 diamonds. Went to showdown and the guy had 10's. Felt a bit sick folding it but was happy to see the 10's. Every hand that's not the nuts is "foldable".

I don't see how this hand isn't a fold. 7 way pot and major action. Obviously it's a lot harder to lay down in game.
I'll translate Deadparrots post into kerryism - Downtown had the aces and shouldn't have went broke
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Very interesting hand and responses but I have to say in this exact spot and description on villain 2 (solid player) in the H/J or C/O 3bets 25% of his stack at the early stages,

Downtowns cbet is showing a lot of strength with 6 players to act behind on a very wet board. I'm sure villain 2 is aware of this as well, if villain 2 had say 33 imo he should be 3betting as should you with the 44, when Downtown ships I would be suspect of the nut draw but I don't know would he go with it, he did say he wasn't playing great as he showed that with shipping AA.

I think you made the correct decision as you obviously felt a lot of strength from downtown and with villain2 to act behind you who is also showing a lot of strength, you are pretty sure that you are behind and have to make the fold. GF
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I'll translate Deadparrots post into kerryism - Downtown had the aces and shouldn't have went broke
That's not what he meant but you carry on.
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Old 06-05-15, 22:42   #33
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That's not what he meant but you carry on.
I think it is..
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Old 06-05-15, 22:47   #34
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I think it is..
I disagree.
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I think it is..
I think he meant most if not all people go broke with the set.

I think it's super obvious the Aces are a fold there. But I also think the set is a fold, just hard to lay down in game.
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I go bust here with the set 100/100 times and happily do so and would be unhappy if I didn't. I would like to think I very rarely go bust with aces so I am in the camp which believes that wasn't what dp meant.
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Yep, on reading it again, I agree that DP was saying about going broke with a set...which i do here.
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Yep, on reading it again, I agree that DP was saying about going broke with a set...which i do here.
Wby do we have to go broke?
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Wby do we have to go broke?
Because we have the best hand A LOT
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Because we have the best hand A LOT
Yes but not always which I why I can't understand going broke 100% of the time. Villain 2 in this hand has 3 players already in ahead of him so calling with shitty hands like he had is a huge possibility.
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