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Old 01-05-15, 09:31   #1
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Fitz EOM - Flop Set, What now?

Spot from the Fitz EOM which I'm still not sure of.....

Level 3 - 100/200 (No history at the table)

Villian 1 UTG (Downtown - 14k) opens to 500

MP1 flats as do I with 44 (15K), as does Villain 2 directly to my left (20k - solid player), button & blinds complete so 7 to the flop.

Flop is 643

Downtown c-bets 1500, MP1 flats so I flat to see what happens behind and hopefully get it in HU or on a non turn if we get there.

This is where it gets tricky. Villain 2 repops to 5300 (my read is he's not messing about & seems committed to the hand). Folded back to Downtown & he thinks for maybe 20 secs & shoves. MP1 folds and action back on me........
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Old 01-05-15, 10:43   #2
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Don't think I could fold here. A7 and A5 are getting it in, possibly AK. Set of threes, Aces and Kings are behind us and only set of sixes ahead. Can't be putting anyone on flopped nuts.
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Old 01-05-15, 10:57   #3
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Ugh. Just... ugh. Blech.

Stick something like this into Pokerstove?

Downtown: [AA,KK,Ac5c,AcKc,66,33,57s]
Villain 2: [66,33,57s,25s,AcXc,5c8c]

Assuming Villian 2 is calling 100% of the time, you need 13.5/45 = 30%.
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Old 01-05-15, 11:04   #4
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I might think about folding for half a second and then I would call.
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Old 01-05-15, 11:10   #5
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Don't think I could fold here. A7 and A5 are getting it in, possibly AK. Set of threes, Aces and Kings are behind us and only set of sixes ahead. Can't be putting anyone on flopped nuts.
You are in the Fitz. OK it's 2015 and one of the villains is a known good player. But you're still in the Fitz and it's still a 7-way flop. Of course one of them can have a straight. Also A7 is only a gutshot or am I brainfarting real hard here?
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Old 01-05-15, 11:15   #6
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Ugh. Just... ugh. Blech.

Stick something like this into Pokerstove?

Downtown: [AA,KK,Ac5c,AcKc,66,33,57s]
Villain 2: [66,33,57s,25s,AcXc,5c8c]

Assuming Villian 2 is calling 100% of the time, you need 13.5/45 = 30%.
AA/KK would be suicide into seven players, and 57 utg is questionable too.
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Old 01-05-15, 11:19   #7
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I think it's a fold.
A set of 3's is a fold for sure.
The only conceivable way u could call with 3's in this spot is if you're someone who just "cannot fold a flopped set".
So given that I could definitely fold middle set there. Fwiw I'd think it's much more likely that Downtown has flopped straight than a big pair.
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AA/KK would be suicide into seven players, and 57 utg is questionable too.
Yeah I agree. I was trying to be as generous as possible with the ranges. I'd definitely include two combos of 57s - he isn't opening that hand 100%, but it's disinctly possible. Ditto for AA and KK - there's a small chance he's actually being suicidal (It's The Fitzô) so it should be included. It's an extremely narrow range without those hands.
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Fold I must be well out of touch, I wouldn't have even considered it.

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You are in the Fitz. OK it's 2015 and one of the villains is a known good player. But you're still in the Fitz and it's still a 7-way flop. Of course one of them can have a straight. Also A7 is only a gutshot or am I brainfarting real hard here?
A,7 was with clubs. Also would give the 5,7 to some players but not to Dowtown UTG and to a "solid player" although I suppose a solid player would flat with 5,7 suited multi-way. Other players in the pot would've been the more likely suspects for that hand though.
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Old 01-05-15, 12:31   #11
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Stinks of flopped two pair to me vilkain would easily have this in his range for open raise and the jam to protect against fkushdraw . Food was good eh? Game is like bingo after 2 am .

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Old 01-05-15, 14:18   #12
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EOM is a fast enough structure and you don't get too many spots like this to accumulate the chips you need to go deep. As played I'm getting all my chips in there on such a draw heavy board.
Prefer to raise the turn to chase out some draws but never folding.
Only behind to higher set, 75 unlikely in a raised pot. Also approx 1 in 3 chance to make a house/quads.
If this doesn't work out my next decision is which bar to head to.
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Old 01-05-15, 14:54   #13
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Nasty spot.

I'd always go broke if Rory turns up with 66 or hits his outs. The guy beside you is as likely to have 25o as 2 pair but you can be fairly sure his chips are going in as well.

If Downtown is opening for 2.5 bb from utg with anything that flops a straight here then I need to make the effort get out and play this game more often.
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Old 01-05-15, 16:04   #14
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Downtown has nut flush draw a lot here, sets and 57s sometimes. not AA/KK if hes playing remotely well. Guy behind can easily call pre with 57, but also 66, 33, 46s, FD, Overpair find out where I am/ protect raise. I'd go with it.
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Downtown has nut flush draw a lot here, sets and 57s sometimes. not AA/KK if hes playing remotely well. Guy behind can easily call pre with 57, but also 66, 33, 46s, FD, Overpair find out where I am/ protect raise. I'd go with it.
Yeah it's a call. It obviously sucks when one of them flips over 66, but we have mucho outs versus 25 and 57 and all the pot odds, and their ranges are wider than that anyway.
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Downtown has nut flush draw a lot here, sets and 57s sometimes. not AA/KK if hes playing remotely well. Guy behind can easily call pre with 57, but also 66, 33, 46s, FD, Overpair find out where I am/ protect raise. I'd go with it.
If I'm playing remotely well, I would prob check AA,KK on the flop. If I did take this line, my range would be mostly NFD and sets.

I most certainly wasn't playing too well though last night.
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Old 02-05-15, 00:20   #17
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Fwiw I don't think I can fold this hand if I am in your spot. I could be raising with all 2pair combos as well as sets,straights and big draws.When downtown shoves his range narrows to big draws,sets, (rarely what he had I think)you're ahead of enough of these hands to make reshoving a feasible option and still have outs if you're beat.
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Old 02-05-15, 06:36   #18
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Instacall. Also no harm in a tight player opening 57s utg
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Old 06-05-15, 12:30   #19
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So what happened? You lost obviously.
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So what happened? You lost obviously.
Was all set to reship over the 5300 bet when Downtown re-shipped. His line completely baffled me and i had to bring top set & made straight into his range.

Anyway I folded & it was AA v 57 for the straight with SF redraw which held.

I still think in a lot of situations its a fold, but as mentioned below, perhaps in this particular game its a call? I dunno?






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EOM is a fast enough structure and you don't get too many spots like this to accumulate the chips you need to go deep. As played I'm getting all my chips in there on such a draw heavy board.
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