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Old 05-01-15, 04:32   #1
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checked in the dark

a hand in my local casino the other night. player in mid position raised, a call on the button and from the small blind. as soon as the big blind folded the sb checks in the dark.

the flop is dealt at which point the small blind (who had checked in the dark) shoves. One player folds, and The dealer is waiting on the next player to act. he hadn't noticed this and at this point one or two at the table point out that he had checked in the dark.

the dealer became very confused, and was completely unaware of what to do. of course everyone on the table had their own view saying that if the original raiser and caller check the action stands but surely not as the bet is illegal? the dealer was reluctant to the call the floor and eventually both players folded and the pot was awarded to the shover.

would the ruling be that the check will stand and if it is checked behind, the sb has all his options on the turn? as far as im aware the shover does not have to commit any chips on the turn, but this leaves alot of room for angle shooting etc?
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Old 05-01-15, 05:36   #2
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You can't take back a check, so the flop is definitely checked around. As to what happens on the turn, thats an interesting decision. (I.e. I don't know what the answer is.). There is no rule that allows for a person to make two different actions in the one phase. I can see it ruled both ways depending on the floor, either he is forced to shove the turn if the action doesn't change (since he bet out of turn), or he gets all his options back (since the bet was completely invalid and as such meaningless). I'd lean towards the second and also give the player some sort of warning (or explanation as to what checking in the dark means).

The biggest mistake you mentioned is the dealer not calling the floor. Once you get the hint of something as confusing as this the dealer should be happy to call the floor and let them sort it out.
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The check in the dark should stand and the SB warned for a sharp one. all options open on the turn ;-)
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The biggest mistake you mentioned is the dealer not calling the floor. Once you get the hint of something as confusing as this the dealer should be happy to call the floor and let them sort it out.
Defo this and its seems to be a regular problem I guess not wanting to get in trouble
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