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Old 23-12-11, 12:26   #1
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PLO spot

Im starting to try out PLO. Im pretty ok with regards to flop play but pre is a weird one for me. It was 20 plo.

Here is a weird spot that occurred last night. I 3 bet a button raise from the bb with Ad Jx 10d 10x. He calls i cbet 3/4 pot and he raises pot i fold.

Next time he is on button i 3 bet him with K K 10 7 possibly 1 suited i cant recall. He calls again i cbet and take it down.

The third time he raises button in a row i have Qs Qx Kx 5s this time i 3 bet him from sb to 2.30 and bb calls, he makes it 8. Whats my move here playing 25 and he covers ?
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Old 23-12-11, 12:30   #2
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your move is to not 3 bet pre flop with that hand, imo.
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Old 23-12-11, 12:30   #3
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+1 to BCB
as played;
shove or fold
Leaning heavily on fold
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Old 23-12-11, 12:33   #4
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Jaysus dont be shoving. Fold it.
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Old 23-12-11, 12:37   #5
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as I said leaning heavily on fold.
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Old 23-12-11, 12:50   #6
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Ok id appreciate opinions on the other two 3 bets aswell are they ok ?

I did shove i mean its only the fact i had 3 bet him the 2 previous times he raised the button that surely he can 4 bet hands im ahead of there.

Im assuming 3 betting should be limited oop in plo moreso that NL ?
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Old 23-12-11, 12:58   #7
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Hand 1 is fine

Hand 2 - if not suited is a fold not a 3bet. Suited is a meh take your pick spot based on dynamic but if in doubt + oop then go ahead and fold.
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Old 23-12-11, 13:03   #8
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What kind of hands should i look to be getting in pre ? I mean is it a case that we just dont play all in poker pre ?
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Old 23-12-11, 13:04   #9
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I usually wouldn't be 3betting QQxx hands unless it was doubled suited with a K and and A. I wouldn't have 3b the KKT7 hand either.
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Old 23-12-11, 13:05   #10
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You should be 3betting hands that make strong hands more often. Hands that make straights, nut flushes, not hands were you need to flop a set and if you get it in you are not that far ahead anyway. 1 pair hands are very average hands in plo, you want cards that go along with them, like 889T ds is much better hand equity wise going for seeing the flop than KKT7 or so. While KKT7 might be the stronger hand preflop, 88T9 will play much better and easier on the flop and turn

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You should be 3betting hands that make strong hands more often. Hands that make straights, nut flushes, not hands were you need to flop a set and if you get it in you are not that far ahead anyway.
Happy getting AJQ10 ds in pre ?
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Happy getting AJQ10 ds in pre ?
Most of the time, but my plo experience is not great, played about 40k hands or so and wasn't winning until I got my rakeback!!
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The only hand you should be happy getting in pre is AAxx. Other hands as dynamic and situation requires. i.e. you 3bet 78910 ds from the button and the SB call, BB Pots, Original raiser calls.......... then you put your money in. You are not necessarily happy about it.
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The only hand you should be happy getting in pre is AAxx. Other hands as dynamic and situation requires. i.e. you 3bet 78910 ds from the button and the SB call, BB Pots, Original raiser calls.......... then you put your money in. You are not necessarily happy about it.
Ok i assumed if your a reg you would need to be getting in KK at least.
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Old 23-12-11, 13:50   #15
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I'm happier getting it in with 78910ds vs KKxx
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Old 24-12-11, 13:51   #16
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Ok sorry if some of these hands are petty but i just want to see what people think.
Need omahamanager writing hands is awkward.

20 PLO 3 handed

btn folds, sb raises to 80cent, i call with Q Q 4s 7s. Flop is Qc Jc 5d he cbets 1.20 and i make it 3.60 and he calls.

Turn 4h, he checks, i bet 8 and he calls.

River Kd he shoves for 8.34.

Call, fold ?
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Old 24-12-11, 14:04   #17
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Fold pre, QQ74 suited to the 7 is not a strong hand especially OOP. Easy call OTR
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Old 24-12-11, 14:46   #18
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Fold pre, QQ74 suited to the 7 is not a strong hand especially OOP. Easy call OTR
Im in position Surely 3 handed its a call pre ?
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Old 24-12-11, 15:16   #19
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Hey, here's the best part of advice you are ever gonna get in PLO: we don't cbet.
Some flops are of a texture that we can lead on but it's not a cbet so don't feel obliged to do so (no matter what u had pre you weren't too far ahead/behind). Also you shouldn't be 3betting with those hands oop, the button is not trying to steal, he's pot building in position and you're helping him.

In the hand in the OP I wouldn't shove or fold playing your stack, it's deffo a call for he and re evaluate on the flop. If you post flop I'll tell u how I'd play it.
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Old 24-12-11, 15:29   #20
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I cant post the QQ hand flop as its just in my basic PP info. I dont have omaha manager. Thanks for the input tho.
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