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Old 05-09-14, 22:57   #1
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early in a 90 seater sng

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.5 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP1 (t1,260)
MP2 (t3,880)
CO (t1,520)
Button (t2,040)
SB (t2,125)
Hero (BB) (t1,575)
UTG (t2,320)
UTG+1 (t1,270)

Hero's M: 21.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
UTG calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t150, 3 folds, Hero raises to t475, 1 fold, MP2 calls t325
Flop: (t1,025) A, 3, 3 (2 players)

pot is 1025 on the flop and i have 1100 left
I had no stats on opponent but he has near tripled in the early stages
Is check folding too weak considering how much has gone in pre
and am i committed if i decide to bet or can we bet fold here?
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Old 05-09-14, 23:06   #2
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PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 2.5 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP1 (t1,260)
MP2 (t3,880)
CO (t1,520)
Button (t2,040)
SB (t2,125)
Hero (BB) (t1,575)
UTG (t2,320)
UTG+1 (t1,270)

Hero's M: 21.00

Preflop: Hero is BB with J, J
UTG calls t50, 2 folds, MP2 raises to t150, 3 folds, Hero raises to t475, 1 fold, MP2 calls t325

pot is 1025 on the flop and i have 1100 left
I had no stats on opponent but he has near tripled in the early stages
Is check folding too weak considering how much has gone in pre
and am i committed if i decide to bet or can we bet fold here?
You have a pot sized bet left here.
With that much invested i just shove the flop regardless of what flops.
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Old 05-09-14, 23:30   #3
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You have a pot sized bet left here.
With that much invested i just shove the flop regardless of what flops.
Any flop with less than two different overcards,warrants a shove from hero.A smaller bet,or check allows the chip leader to put the onus on you with his bet that will range from 50% of pot,to a shove.Make him do the thinking.
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Old 06-09-14, 00:20   #4
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What's the flop?
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Old 06-09-14, 00:24   #5
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sorry deleted the flop by accident flop was A,3,3
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Old 06-09-14, 02:46   #6
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yea, I think once we 3bet pre, we got to bet that flop. He could be isoing limper here, and when he only flat pre, A is in our range a lot more than his. I'm not shoving tho, I'd bet as normal, however I'm obv not folding. If we werent oop, I dont see any reason to be betting the flop as all were doing then is turning our hand into a bluff
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Old 06-09-14, 02:48   #7
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Prefer to check/call than to shove anyway. At least he has some bluffs in his range that way. Hard to get called by worse if you shove.
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Old 06-09-14, 13:44   #8
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290/fold to shove. Give up all non J turns. You should be shoving none of your range here in my opinion.
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Old 07-09-14, 09:22   #9
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290/fold to shove. Give up all non J turns. You should be shoving none of your range here in my opinion.
so if ak is in his range here and he has a pot sized bet behind, whats his play?
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Old 07-09-14, 11:08   #10
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so if ak is in his range here and he has a pot sized bet behind, whats his play?
Same as above obviously shoving all turns. Shoving achieves nothing except getting called by worse Ax's. You fold out all pairs 44/KK. I don't hate checking to induce light shoves either but I prefer to do that if we have some history and villain has high % bet when checked to. Sure the 290 gives a decent player the opportunity to float/shove turn but with stacks so shallow I don't expect that often. Hands that might call include 44/1010 and unless he's good and wants to turn some of them into bluffs when we check turn, I expect to get to showdown quite often vs this range.

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Old 08-09-14, 16:32   #11
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Vs a random I'd check/decide based on sizing, mostly c/folding vs an ace heavy range. Alternatively b/f like 250. Shoving is lol-bad, definitely wont stack off unimproved.
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Old 10-09-14, 02:03   #12
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in the hand i bet 315 and called his shove and lost v his AJ
the reason i posted the hand is myself and a friend discussed the hand after and completely disagreed on how the hand was played.

My friend though check folding or bet folding was better and i shouldn't be calling his raise once i bet. He thinks most players are not shoving their pairs and would most likely flat them.
Where i think once i bet i should call since i only have a pot size bet V an unknown and he could easily continue with a lot of pairs, since there's only 1 overcard

The hand would have been a lot easier to play if i had stats or if i have more more than a pot size bet on the flop. I'm still not sure after reading posts what the best action seems to be, is a fairly mixed response. looks like bet small/fold bet/call check/fold and check/call could all be options. Maybe just shoving pre v an unknown in this spot could have been the best play
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Old 13-09-14, 05:21   #13
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Horrid enough spot with jacks so early in sng's. I actually don't hate an open shove
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Old 13-09-14, 05:30   #14
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Plenty of time hang in son
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Old 13-09-14, 10:55   #15
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Plenty of time hang in son
That's some quality advice as usual, back to your werewolf game
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