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Old 26-07-10, 21:59   #41
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I am dominating the table playing super agressive which proberley puts my range pretty wide.
With your image the limp is awful

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I limp utg with KK, villan makes it 4500, bt calls who is no good and I take no notice of him, I make it 15000 and villian ships for 67000.
Now you are repping AA, which is also awful

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I know we should proberley never be folding here, but I think his range is very tight, and I can not see him doing this on a bluff or withh QQ or AK, so imo it has to be the most obvious AA, can't see him putting his tourny at risk with out anything else but A's possibly same hand but it's unlikely, so Is anyone folding here? Opinions please?
The funny thing is by the way you played the hand you gave yourself the only oportunity you were ever going to get to fold this preflop

The action should have been:
you raise
he reraises
you ship
he calls
cooler

or, if you decided to continue your tricky play
you limp
he raises
you call
and get the money on the flop

so to answer your question, can you fold now? the answer is yes! - you are repping Aces with the limp reraise utg, and the tightest player at the table ships over you? I think I'd find a fold here, unless i could convince myself that he thinks i'm full of shite?

I know you're a very good player and i don't mean to sound prickish, but i really think you butchered the hand from start to finish, i reckon you agree with me?

btw i didn't bother reading any of the replies so appologies if this has been said already

gl and cya in cork next month probably
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Old 27-07-10, 19:13   #42
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After reading all youre opinions on this and putting a bit more tought into the hand i would have to admit that i played it arseways, as most of you said, should have raised pre and 4bet all in or a big chunk of it anyways, and just put it down to a cooler and move on, thats poker,
Thanks for all the opinions.
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Old 28-07-10, 15:39   #43
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theimprover this kind of thread comes up from time to time

in fact I think we should put up a sticky for folding KK pre threads

basically the distilled knowledge is you should never fold KK pre as even though you 'knew he had it' as more often than not he does not have it

while there may be very specific circumstances where you might consider folding KK pre I think you would need a very strong read on the player in question

and in your situation;

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I am dominating the table playing super agressive which proberley puts my range pretty wide.
you cannot fold because of this, as even a complete fucking nit will eventually get pissed off with your antics and is well capable of shipping AK QQ JJ AQ 77 etc here

which means he turns up with AK QQ JJ AQ 77 a lot more than AA here

which means you call

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