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Old 30-06-11, 13:20   #1
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Top two pair

Bray Monthly game 60 euro BI. 15k ss
I have just arrived at the table, blinds 50/100

I am in the SB with 10 6 off

UTG + 1 Limps, Hijack Limps, Button limps,( 22k ish) i complete in the SB (14.6k)and the BB checks.

5 Players

Flop 10 6 4 rainbow.

I lead out for 350
UTG+1 calls
Hijack Folds
Button raises to 1250


I reraise to 3400
UTG+1 Folds
Button goes ALL IN (has me covered)

What do?

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Old 30-06-11, 13:22   #2
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Fold pre
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Old 30-06-11, 13:24   #3
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What's you're stack size?




Sry see now it's 14.6

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Old 30-06-11, 13:29   #4
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You've 140bbs, you're OOP & in a four way pot with 10 6 off.

Fold pre.

Edit - Fuck knows what your up against now if this is the way the preflop action goes - set, overpair, worse 2 pair or even straight draw? Get talking to villain & try figure out.


Question is how likely is the button to have limped 1010 66 44 with a limp before him & the blinds behind him to act?
Also, why would anyone jam a set here?

Very bad play by him if its being done with JJ+

Again unlikely he is doing this where we have him dominated which leaves the 35/57 combo which we are happy to see.

I think it comes down to trying to get a read off him.

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Old 30-06-11, 13:29   #5
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Fold pre
50 to call into a pot of 450
Should i really be folding pre here in the SB?
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Old 30-06-11, 13:30   #6
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Fold pre
This.

I'm happy to get it in there as played.
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Old 30-06-11, 13:31   #7
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Surely stacks are deep enough to justify a call pre with practically atc?

I'd flat the flop rr. With stacks this deep I'm happy to pot control for the times we are beat and let villain continues with all his bluffs. Such a dry board he has you crushed or he's bluffing. Also 3betting means villain should be laying down most of his bluffs.

If you are going to 3bet it should be with the intention of getting it in imo. What did you expect to happen when you make it 3.4k?
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Old 30-06-11, 13:31   #8
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Agree with the fold pre but in fairness he's asking what to do now we've got here.
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Old 30-06-11, 13:36   #9
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Caf, I think it's a fold pre cos this is exactly the type of tricky spots you can get it calling with rubbish out of the small blind.

What is he really repping here, overpair or 4s, 10s and 6s sometimes and bluffs. Would he really shove a set on such a dry board??
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Old 30-06-11, 13:40   #10
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What are we hoping to stack with 10 6 in a limped pot? This is why we fold pre. You are way overestimating your implied odds.
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Old 30-06-11, 13:41   #11
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You're behind to 5 hands....1 combo of 10,10 and 6,6 and 3 of 4,4. Flat the re-raise this deep. Once you 3 bet I think you have to go with it,
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Old 30-06-11, 13:44   #12
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Caf, I think it's a fold pre cos this is exactly the type of tricky spots you can get it calling with rubbish out of the small blind.

What is he really repping here, overpair or 4s, 10s and 6s sometimes and bluffs. Would he really shove a set on such a dry board??
But this doesn't have to be a tricky spot, it only became tricky because we 3bet. If we bet less on flop since it's so dry, say 250 and flat the rr(which should also be smaller) we can play the hand a lot easier.

This is the spot we want when we call the SB with rags, we want to hit top two pair or a straight.

What do you mean: 'What is he really repping?' Who?



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Old 30-06-11, 13:45   #13
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I dont agree with folding pre nessesarily.
Live standard I'd guess A10 & overpairs are a huge part of the range
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Old 30-06-11, 13:46   #14
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I don't mind the preflop call, as long as we're not going to call off two streets with top pair without a read. Problem I have is that you say you're new to the table so I assume we have no reads. Therefore if we don't flop hard we've no idea where we strand.

Obv we hit the flop very hard, but not sure I like the donk bet this deep. It should get called by worse on the flop but from there on should only be called by better hands. As played, I prob fold to the shove. He's much more likely to have set than overpair and he shouldn't be limping in with hands that make 2 pair.
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Old 30-06-11, 13:48   #15
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I dont agree with folding pre nessesarily.
Live standard I'd guess A10 & overpairs are a huge part of the range
Depends on the standard I guess, but 4 bet jamming with one pair in a four way limped pot against a SB on that board whilst 200bb deep would be slightly suicidal - in my world anyway

(Apologies to BB if he was in fact the villain with an overpair - don't go looking for a bridge please)

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Old 30-06-11, 13:51   #16
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Depends on the standard I guess, but 4 bet jamming with one pair in a four way limped pot against a SB on that board whilst 200bb deep would be slightly suicidal - in my world anyway

(Apologies to BB if he was in fact the villain with an overpair - don't go looking for a bridge please)
It's fun to do tho
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Old 30-06-11, 13:53   #17
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It's fun to do tho
I've done worse lately
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Old 30-06-11, 13:55   #18
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Any overpair should be raising pre on button with limpers already in but can't be completely ruled out I suppose, after that it could be A 10 , maybe K 10 and 6,4 suited.
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Old 30-06-11, 13:59   #19
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50 to call into a pot of 450
Should i really be folding pre here in the SB?
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What are we hoping to stack with 10 6 in a limped pot? This is why we fold pre. You are way overestimating your implied odds.
What Emmet says is exactly right.

If you want to get funky & play a big pot then raise.
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Old 30-06-11, 14:03   #20
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Ya call the buttons raise of 1250, This allows him to continue with worse hands on the turn and also disguise your hand and allow us to not stack off in a limped pot with 106o. A little pot control as caf said already.

Calling the 1250 is much better than making it 3400 not knowing what to do.


I'd fold pre ere
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