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Old 11-02-11, 03:38   #21
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Shove pre obv. 5600 in the middle already. If the oul lad has limped his monster then so be it.

Anyone like a Johnny Chan turn donk with the intention of getting em in? Pair+flushdraw+gutshot means we like a huge % of river cards. Limp/donked pot so villian has a weak ace a lot, so we have bags of fold equity, plus we look FOS and might get hero calls from worse.
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Old 11-02-11, 03:39   #22
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Im never folding flop to such a small lead with 2nd pair and back door outs.
Just because you never do it, doesn't mean its not bad.

I imagine rory also never leads here without QJ+

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I disagree also about checking the river. In fact I think after downtown checks the turn it becomes a mandatory bet - as are all my nutted and airball hands
You need to slow down and think about why we actually bet.

We bet because worse will or call, or better will fold, but never becasue we might have the best hand.
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Old 11-02-11, 05:07   #23
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Looking for a thin call when you've check called n ace high board is pretty optimistic thinking. Check fold flop, don't bet the turn and fold now.
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Old 11-02-11, 09:09   #24
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Looking for a thin call when you've check called n ace high board is pretty optimistic thinking. Check fold flop, don't bet the turn and fold now.

agree with ianmc
folding flop what hand are you putting him on to call the flop??in a live game limpers with ace rag is very likely so why does he lead out with worse

if this hand was blind on blind only it would be diff, the limpers mean he most likely has something to lead out flop,

On the river how many times those he have air in this spot? cant be enough to be a profitable call.
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Old 11-02-11, 09:29   #25
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Isn't Rory's range pretty much polarised between the nuts and hands you are beating?
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Old 11-02-11, 09:37   #26
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you forget to mention you were starting to tilt imo

fold flop obviously
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Old 11-02-11, 09:53   #27
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ah I dont think I was tilting - card dead but not tilting.

@ Nuck - if he bets the turn I ship the loots

the annoying thing is on the river I know he knows what my hand looks like/is. So will have enough bluffs in his range to make this a call some of the time. However I folded.
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Old 11-02-11, 10:23   #28
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ah I dont think I was tilting - card dead but not tilting.
ah, you were looking agitato!

should have stayed in Kehoes obviously
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Old 11-02-11, 11:01   #29
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Mad logic for river bet. I like a ship pre aswell. River is a fold even though I think could sometimes be a bluff. Dont like trying to get it in on the turn either-basically we have close to zero fold eq if he bets again.
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Old 11-02-11, 11:07   #30
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River weak is very weak, but you are right in that Downtown and a lot of others would ship with a wide range, both bluffs and even marginal aces. Its a deffo fold on the river unless you have some sick soul read. In the future I would 90% of the time C/C on the river
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Old 11-02-11, 11:08   #31
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Mad logic for river bet. I like a ship pre aswell.
the ship pre was not an option with the 'terrible old guy' in the hand

he had had limp\called a shove 3 or 4 times already at this point, couple of times with monsters, once with KQ and once with a medium pp
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the ship pre was not an option with the 'terrible old guy' in the hand

he had had limp\called a shove 3 or 4 times already at this point, couple of times with monsters, once with KQ and once with a medium pp
Ah ok. Saying that Id still be sorely tempted.
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the ship pre was not an option with the 'terrible old guy' in the hand

he had had limp\called a shove 3 or 4 times already at this point, couple of times with monsters, once with KQ and once with a medium pp
Did he win those times he called though? If he donated a few chips he might not be happy happy calling all-ins so light anymore.
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Old 11-02-11, 11:38   #34
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Did he win those times he called though? If he donated a few chips he might not be happy happy calling all-ins so light anymore.
he won his first three and then donated me many bananas with my AK vs his KQ, then he donated some more with another moderate hand in the same fashion.
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Old 11-02-11, 20:23   #35
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People have said all there is to say about your river bet so I won't comment on that.

Weird line from Rory.

What hands does he check the turn that he's happy to jam the river with?

Rory is good enough to know his line is very fishy and he may well be called light. But at the same time it's really hard to see what the heck he shows up with.

I would seriously consider calling here. Wp him if he has a big hand or just an ace imo.
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Old 11-02-11, 22:58   #36
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A4 imo
He shoves pre with Ax.
Q6 obv
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Old 12-02-11, 00:00   #37
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I think its an easy river call, unless the 4 hit improved his hand its very hard for him to have a good hand. What strong hand on the flop can he have? Q6, and I doubt he checks back the turn and shoves the river with it. It looks like he had a mid pair and is trying to get you to fold a better pair.

You're going to be beaten here a good portion of the time, but not enough to fold IMO. When you lose its to A4 or KT

I like the bet on the river to induce a bluff, pretty terrible for any other purpose

Calling out of position on the flop is bad, oop and not very deep don't be worrying about back door outs
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Old 12-02-11, 00:04   #38
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Old 12-02-11, 12:12   #39
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I would seriously consider calling here.
if you consider the river bet only it seems a decent hero call spot. I mean, you can't see what hands he pushes river here and its blind on blind with two other limpers so both of your ranges are much wider, a decent sized pot and the potential for funkiness is much bigger

but you have to consider what he is donking an AQ6 flop with that you beat. i don't think much. I can't see him leading less than KQ, QJ

so i reluctantly fold, unless he knows something about the two limpers that allows him to donk that flop with nowt
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Old 12-02-11, 13:25   #40
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I had A6. I donked hoping the old guy had limped with a big hand and we could play for stacks.
When Tony called I felt his hand was a queen. I checked the turn to look weak and was not worried about him making 2 pair. It worked out well and I nearly got him to call. I think I played it well. If he checks the river, I prob jam to test his c/ call river line to the max and look more like a bluff. I play any A x the same except I bet the turn because my hand is a lot more vulnerable.
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