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Old 15-07-12, 20:45   #21
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Pretty nasty spot tbh. Played fine so far, but is MP2's minraise ever a bluff/KJ or a KQ/AQ hand? We're effectively getting 7/1 on a call but there's not going to be a lot of cards we like on the turn to make us continue with the hand and we'll likely just c/f a lot to heavy action on the turn. Q10/44 obv make the most sense, so we're not thrill if we see any of them cards. If I call and a 4 pops up, i'm going to deduce that he has Q10 and i'm liking my hand again. I don't mind a fold now
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Old 15-07-12, 21:10   #22
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Really shitty spot. If MP1 wasn't there I call all day and re-evaluate the turn. But if we call now MP1 is calling all draws & the only action we want to see is the turn being checked around. I probably fold and hate it.
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Old 15-07-12, 21:28   #23
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call ob, ez game innit
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Old 15-07-12, 21:30   #24
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I'm bad so I call here, then I c/c the gutter-bringing turn and lead my Broadway straight like a boss.

Horrid spot, but I do call and re-evaluate on turn
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Old 15-07-12, 21:40   #25
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Pre needs more discussion imo, 2x? 3x? 4x?!? Idk what I do here, legit tough spot.
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Old 15-07-12, 21:56   #26
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I found the fold in this instance FWIW. Definitely interesting spot though.

I think he can easily have 1010 or QQ btw Tony (Flushdraw).
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Old 15-07-12, 22:01   #27
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I found the fold in this instance FWIW. Definitely interesting spot though.

I think he can easily have 1010 or QQ btw Tony (Flushdraw).
I'll give you 10s but do you think he flats QQ after you open and get flatted knowing the blinds probably come along too?
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Old 15-07-12, 22:41   #28
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Raise to 100x pre say you got the colours mixed up
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Old 15-07-12, 23:40   #29
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At the risk of sounding stupid, if a table with alot of soft spots that is aggro pre, limping with AA pre to reraise and isolate is not a terrible play, I dont do it myself but it can work!!!

However limp calling is not the correct play but I wouldn't berate someone for limp raising pre!!
i would how you gonna balance this against good players ,,, does this mean your gonna limp raise with 55 66 77 88 910 10j QJ AT AK AND THEN RISK GETTING FLATTED and have to play week hands out of postion with a hi % of your stack out there ??? just wondering

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Old 16-07-12, 00:10   #30
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there is lots of times when your gonna be in these spots this deep no rite answer really but sometimes i like to take differnt line s on this board i prob go for the check call as i would with some of my range i dont like leading hear into this many people if your not willing to go with your hand as a fish could raise hear with a draw or AQ KQ q10 kj and sets putting yourself n a tough spot check calling early stages is fine let them barrel with there vaule range and bluffing range at least this way if your way behind you can still catch up and play for stacks if you no by showdown your ahead of his vaule range you could go all night with this hand about c betting and all that put no point all that pritty stanard

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Old 16-07-12, 00:32   #31
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So raising AA UTG is spew, limp call is optimal, early doors poker FTW.
And the games are full of idiots.

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At the risk of sounding stupid, if a table with alot of soft spots that is aggro pre, limping with AA pre to reraise and isolate is not a terrible play, I dont do it myself but it can work!!!
It draws way too much attention to your hand compared to just opening. Very common to see live rec players doing it. And its AA/KK most of the time.

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I'll give you 10s but do you think he flats QQ after you open and get flatted knowing the blinds probably come along too?
This.
TT is my only concern at this point. QQ 3bets pre flop. QT is unlikely. KJ a maybe.
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Old 16-07-12, 00:33   #32
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raising is gonna be a billion times better than limping, if not more.
hatton has to be trolling?
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Old 16-07-12, 00:38   #33
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raising is gonna be a billion times better than limping, if not more.
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Old 16-07-12, 00:40   #34
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I for one don't think QQ always 3-bets here and is certainly a part of the value range.
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Old 16-07-12, 00:42   #35
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I for one don't think QQ always 3-bets here and is certainly a part of the value range.
id agree, i prob dont 3b qq fwiw
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Old 16-07-12, 00:49   #36
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Theres that many bad players at the start of these tournies id normally just flat AA early on and keep the pot small unless you hit/isolate one guy.
it will wreck my head if i dont ask, how do you plan to isolate 1 guy by limping or what do you mean
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Old 16-07-12, 00:55   #37
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Simple b/f on flop imo.

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Open is fine and cbet is obv grand. Is MP1 one of the value spots? If so the raise by MP2 could be lighter than normal. I definitely call the raise anyway and take it to the turn. Not super thrilled about it but you may have to call down here. Id be furiously trying to OPR the raiser to see of he was any use
Are you happy to stack off here?
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Old 16-07-12, 00:55   #38
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I generally wouldn't 3bet QQ either.
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Old 16-07-12, 01:03   #39
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I for one don't think QQ always 3-bets here and is certainly a part of the value range.
+1

Don't 3bet there alot myself and have seen it at showdown in tons of overcall spots before.
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Old 16-07-12, 01:03   #40
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Can Tom just come the fuck back on and tell us the outcome, dying to know
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