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Old 28-11-11, 00:55   #21
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Yeah, I folded like the vagina that I am once again.

Just rivered an Ace in a race though. Still in!

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Old 28-11-11, 00:58   #22
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Hand 1: Fold pre, b/f turn. Pre is the closer of the two. Its a very straightforward hand.

Hand 2: Seems like you clicked the wrong button pre
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Old 28-11-11, 01:10   #23
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Standard open. As played b/f turn. The Ace connects pretty hard with our flop cbetting range and not as much with villains flop calling range thus making it a terrible card to bluff-raise, so when he does he's nutted quite often.

Having checked I'd just fold to the shove, wp
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Old 28-11-11, 01:20   #24
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Bah. Finished somewhere in the 400s. Shoved 15bbs with 77 into AK x 2. A & K on the flop. Can never hold against two players AKs.
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Old 28-11-11, 01:24   #25
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Old 28-11-11, 01:29   #26
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Old 28-11-11, 01:34   #27
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Old 28-11-11, 01:45   #28
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Hand 1 - People saying fold pre, why?

Hand 2 - Flat seems fine.. shoving is mental.. 3betting just takes the pot alot of the time unless we have a dynamic with the opener and feel he's gonna spaz out preflop.. he can be opening wide off that stack but rarely 4betting wide [given the positions], so we wanna keep him in surely.
Also the blinds stacks are sexy for squeezing over our flat aswel.
I think for me it goes flat >> 3bet call >> shove >> 3bet fold.

On flop i call once anyway, give up if he fires turn without reads.
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Old 28-11-11, 03:06   #29
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Hand 1 - People saying fold pre, why?
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Old 28-11-11, 11:08   #30
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i think you played the second hand perfectly, but i would fold the turn. i don't agree at all with the idea that if you call the turn you have to call the river, we shouldn't be worrying about balance vs an unknown in the million, and the number of people who are capable of firing two barrels in this spot is much great than the number who are capable of firing three.

first hand the turn is an easy bet fold. given that you checked here you probably need to work a lot more bet/folding into your game in general.
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Old 28-11-11, 11:14   #31
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Hand 1 - People saying fold pre, why?

Hand 2 - Flat seems fine.. shoving is mental.. 3betting just takes the pot alot of the time unless we have a dynamic with the opener and feel he's gonna spaz out preflop.. he can be opening wide off that stack but rarely 4betting wide [given the positions], so we wanna keep him in surely.
Also the blinds stacks are sexy for squeezing over our flat aswel.
I think for me it goes flat >> 3bet call >> shove >> 3bet fold.

On flop i call once anyway, give up if he fires turn without reads.
Without odd dynamics, 3betting is clearly better than flatting.

I think on a strong table the A9s ep is an easy fold. Cos its the mills its prob fine.
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Old 28-11-11, 16:49   #32
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Umm is this the nit thread?
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Old 28-11-11, 17:15   #33
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B/fold first hand.
And 3-bet second hand with a view to getting it in. As played fold river. He has AK, AA type hands to often IMO. WP
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Old 28-11-11, 22:57   #34
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Without odd dynamics, 3betting is clearly better than flatting.
I know 3betting to get it in is standard, but do you not think -v- some opponents who are just gonna fold to the 3bet so much that we can play it a bit riskier for more value sometimes, especially with stacks like this in the blinds?
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Old 28-11-11, 23:05   #35
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I know 3betting to get it in is standard, but do you not think -v- some opponents who are just gonna fold to the 3bet so much that we can play it a bit riskier for more value sometimes, especially with stacks like this in the blinds?
Yes. We have no reads in this hand though.
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Old 28-11-11, 23:09   #36
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I know 3betting to get it in is standard, but do you not think -v- some opponents who are just gonna fold to the 3bet so much that we can play it a bit riskier for more value sometimes, especially with stacks like this in the blinds?
Would agree with aa or kk (having no villan reads) with JJ you just leave yourself too open to making tough decisions post flop. Happy flatting JJ against an agro serial raiser in position.
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Old 29-11-11, 02:45   #37
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i think you played the second hand perfectly, but i would fold the turn. i don't agree at all with the idea that if you call the turn you have to call the river, we shouldn't be worrying about balance vs an unknown in the million, and the number of people who are capable of firing two barrels in this spot is much great than the number who are capable of firing three.
Not sure why a big stack would build a pot to shove the river approaching a bubble and not fire the 3rd barrel.
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Old 30-11-11, 19:36   #38
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I have been thinking a bit about hand 1 and Id like to put some thoughts out there as best I can. First of all I think we can all agree that it is standard up until the turn - I think this is an open in a soft field and a standard cbet etc

Ok now considering the Ace hits on the turn a standard hero line should be to lead 100% of our range mainly because as Winning suggests it hits a massive part of our range and should hit very little of the villains range that he calls a flop bet with. i.e. Im leading with all air and made hands there as well as KK, QQ etc etc

My arguement is from a villains perspective (and considering stack sizes) would it be +EV to shove that turn with nearly 100% of his range given how hard it is for hero to find a call there? Im not just saying that from a results orientated point of view but the way I look at it is Hero can only call with 2 pair+ and AK (AQ?).

The hand in question may be a poor example but its a spot Iv thought of now and again where hero is nearly being forced to fold unless he is at the very top of his range.
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Old 30-11-11, 23:43   #39
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I have been thinking a bit about hand 1 and Id like to put some thoughts out there as best I can. First of all I think we can all agree that it is standard up until the turn - I think this is an open in a soft field and a standard cbet etc
I don't think we can agree on that at all.
Posters are generally split on fold or open pre.
With 7 players to act behind, I don't like opening a weakish ace.
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Old 01-12-11, 00:34   #40
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Hand one: I think we can bet smaller on the flop like 1100-1200 and then something like 1800-1900 on the turn and then if he shoves we can fold...

Hand two: I'd 3 bet to 8750-8950 and if he clicks it back at us we can raise again so depending on villans 4 bet we should be 5 betting somewhere between 16-19k and if he shoves I'm more than happy to fold at that point. we also only cost ourselves 16-19k to have a very good idea of where we are as opposed to calling off 30,825k on the turn scratching our head
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