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    Both blinds sitting out

    Just a quick one from last night.

    Playing the monthly game in the local casino and they're just after forming a new table so it's 8 handed. The stacks in the SB and BB are new stacks that have just been put out and they aren't at the table. Blinds 200/400 btw as this is the last level for late entries.

    I fold UTG, as does the rest of the table (even the sharp eyed button )

    Should the button still get the chips for having the last live hand?

    #2
    Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
    Just a quick one from last night.

    Playing the monthly game in the local casino and they're just after forming a new table so it's 8 handed. The stacks in the SB and BB are new stacks that have just been put out and they aren't at the table. Blinds 200/400 btw as this is the last level for late entries.

    I fold UTG, as does the rest of the table (even the sharp eyed button )

    Should the button still get the chips for having the last live hand?
    Yes, you cannot win a hand without cards, last man standing

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      #3
      how can you be in here making posts like this with a rugby match like ireland and australia on the tv



      "Remember the time he ate my goldfish? And you lied and said I never had goldfish. Then why did I have the bowl, Bart? Why did I have the bowl?"

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        #4
        Was a long night playing the live pokers so just got up about 10 minutes ago and stuck it on for the last 20 mins. Afraid to go near the BBV!

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          #5
          Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
          Just a quick one from last night.

          Playing the monthly game in the local casino and they're just after forming a new table so it's 8 handed. The stacks in the SB and BB are new stacks that have just been put out and they aren't at the table. Blinds 200/400 btw as this is the last level for late entries.

          I fold UTG, as does the rest of the table (even the sharp eyed button )

          Should the button still get the chips for having the last live hand?
          As soon as the buttons second card is dealt, the blinds cards are folded, so as soon as the CO folds its buttons pot.

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            #6
            Originally posted by EnzoScifo View Post
            Yes, you cannot win a hand without cards, last man standing
            Originally posted by Mellor View Post
            As soon as the buttons second card is dealt, the blinds cards are folded, so as soon as the CO folds its buttons pot.
            Yeah that's what i thought. Dealer just gave the blinds their chips back and carried on with the next hand

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              #7
              Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
              Yeah that's what i thought. Dealer just gave the blinds their chips back and carried on with the next hand
              I hope you went nuts at dealer.

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                #8
                Originally posted by sickhabbit View Post
                I hope you went nuts at dealer.
                I didn't. I said that i'm sure that the guy on the button gets the chips but rather than call for a ruling he just gave the blinds back their chips. When you're a Dublin blow'in playing so close to the north, you don't want to rock the boat too much or seem like you're a know-it-all so just let it go as i'd already had to correct the same dealer for counting an allin stack wrong earlier

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                  I didn't. I said that i'm sure that the guy on the button gets the chips but rather than call for a ruling he just gave the blinds back their chips. When you're a Dublin blow'in playing so close to the north, you don't want to rock the boat too much or seem like you're a know-it-all so just let it go as i'd already had to correct the same dealer for counting an allin stack wrong earlier
                  I wouldn't have said a word either,
                  You weren't the button, so it makes little or no difference to your game.
                  It was a mistake, but why get involved if it doesn't mean much to you.

                  Just mark the button down as a clown and move on

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                    #10
                    Yeah, both good points. It's just annoying when the dealer doesn't know the rules.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                      Just a quick one from last night.

                      Playing the monthly game in the local casino and they're just after forming a new table so it's 8 handed. The stacks in the SB and BB are new stacks that have just been put out and they aren't at the table. Blinds 200/400 btw as this is the last level for late entries.

                      I fold UTG, as does the rest of the table (even the sharp eyed button )

                      Should the button still get the chips for having the last live hand?
                      Sorry, I'm new to this, but if the button folds his hand here then wasn't the dealer correct to return the blinds as the button effectively killed his hand leaving the SB and BB still technically 'live' hands even though they were sitting out.

                      Wouldn't the button have to open here in order to take the blinds? #justathought

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by royalraiser85 View Post
                        Sorry, I'm new to this, but if the button folds his hand here then wasn't the dealer correct to return the blinds as the button effectively killed his hand leaving the SB and BB still technically 'live' hands even though they were sitting out.

                        Wouldn't the button have to open here in order to take the blinds? #justathought
                        If a player is not at his table, his hand is killed once the last card is dealt so the SB and the BB were the first 2 hands folded so the last active live hand was the button's

                        The second part of your hand is spot on tho. The button only has to call or raise to pick up the blinds

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                          #13
                          On Pokerstars If the bb is sitting out u still have to call or raise to win the pot and his hand is instantly mucked, although on other sites (incl Full Tilt) u had to raise for the player sitting out to be mucked.
                          Should the Button here even have to open to win the blinds? I don't know. But if hes retarded enough to fold his button with both blinds sitting out then he doesnt deserve the pot anyway

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                            #14
                            In Fitz in Limerick you have to call to take the pot when blinds are not there. Have seen where first hand after the break the 4 players at the table fold and the big blind gets the pot (could not be bothered to bring it up unless it affects me)

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                              Just a quick one from last night.

                              Playing the monthly game in the local casino and they're just after forming a new table so it's 8 handed. The stacks in the SB and BB are new stacks that have just been put out and they aren't at the table. Blinds 200/400 btw as this is the last level for late entries.

                              I fold UTG, as does the rest of the table (even the sharp eyed button )

                              Should the button still get the chips for having the last live hand?
                              Yes the button should* get the blinds as once the last card is dealt to the button both blinds hands are dead** and should be the first two hands mucked before UTG has a chance to act, there fore the button is the last person to have live cards given him the pot

                              *It shouldnt get it cause he doesn't see

                              **This may be the rule, some clubs have a rule if your not in your seat for the first card dealt your hand is dead or some varient on this rule

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                I didn't. I said that i'm sure that the guy on the button gets the chips but rather than call for a ruling he just gave the blinds back their chips. When you're a Dublin blow'in playing so close to the north, you don't want to rock the boat too much or seem like you're a know-it-all so just let it go as i'd already had to correct the same dealer for counting an allin stack wrong earlier
                                Jesus Tony Give the Gold Clud hell they would give it to u!!! FYI some of the rules employed in the gold club were different to the ones in dublin i only found that out when playing in dublin, both right just how you interput the rules


                                QQ Did that offical Rule book ever get written? by JP/Carafax/Connie et le????

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by pgodkin View Post
                                  Jesus Tony Give the Gold Clud hell they would give it to u!!! FYI some of the rules employed in the gold club were different to the ones in dublin i only found that out when playing in dublin, both right just how you interput the rules


                                  QQ Did that offical Rule book ever get written? by JP/Carafax/Connie et le????
                                  Sure you know yourself from playing there Phil, it's a pretty relaxed club where regulars are concerned. Like it the bet is 225, a lot of players will put out a 500 chip and a 25 chip and it's just a call because the dealers know that's what the player intended.

                                  I've noticed the dealer looking at players hands when it doesn't go to showdown aswel.

                                  There's quite a few niggly things i'd change if i worked there, which would work for the better imo. Anyways, while the general standard is below average, i'll just plod along!

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by JWillo1 View Post
                                    On Pokerstars If the bb is sitting out u still have to call or raise to win the pot and his hand is instantly mucked, although on other sites (incl Full Tilt) u had to raise for the player sitting out to be mucked.
                                    Should the Button here even have to open to win the blinds? I don't know. But if hes retarded enough to fold his button with both blinds sitting out then he doesnt deserve the pot anyway
                                    The thing about this is if the BB is sitting out online and the someone calls your hand isn't dead often seen it get check down to the river cause the limper fish never bets and the BB catches something that turns his hand to the stronger hand (this is the case on Ipoker and Irish eyes for def havn'e played enough on Pokerstars to see it yet)

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                      Sure you know yourself from playing there Phil, it's a pretty relaxed club where regulars are concerned. Like it the bet is 225, a lot of players will put out a 500 chip and a 25 chip and it's just a call because the dealers know that's what the player intended.

                                      I've noticed the dealer looking at players hands when it doesn't go to showdown aswel.

                                      There's quite a few niggly things i'd change if i worked there, which would work for the better imo. Anyways, while the general standard is below average, i'll just plod along!
                                      Yeah I know i have to say i loved playing there Has to be one of my most fav clubs in ireland! Jsut the buzz and it being pretty relaxed most of the time and you see some degans come in late on the saturday night getting the rack of blacks and over to the wheel of steel is always fun to watch!!!

                                      edit: this never bothered me till i started playing in Dublin if it happened now and i saw it i would say something, strange i know!!

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                        Sure you know yourself from playing there Phil, it's a pretty relaxed club where regulars are concerned. Like it the bet is 225, a lot of players will put out a 500 chip and a 25 chip and it's just a call because the dealers know that's what the player intended.

                                        I've noticed the dealer looking at players hands when it doesn't go to showdown aswel.

                                        There's quite a few niggly things i'd change if i worked there, which would work for the better imo. Anyways, while the general standard is below average, i'll just plod along!
                                        was playing in the gold club one night in a cash game and a bet was made on the river with 3 players in the pot the next player studied for a long time and when he took another look back at his cards the dealer leaned over and looked at his cards aswell and gave him a perplexed look when he folded making i obvious he folded a strong hand and there was still a player to act behind.. although overall i find the gold club and enjoyable place to play and enjoy playing there anytime i go to it.

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by pgodkin View Post
                                          The thing about this is if the BB is sitting out online and the someone calls your hand isn't dead often seen it get check down to the river cause the limper fish never bets and the BB catches something that turns his hand to the stronger hand (this is the case on Ipoker and Irish eyes for def havn'e played enough on Pokerstars to see it yet)
                                          There's probably only 1 dealer in the club that wouldn't have awarded the pot to the button, and that happened to be the dealer who was at the table. Every other dealer in the place is more aware of what's happening at the table to notice that the default was to award the pot to the button. Just the odd dealers is more interested in talking non stop and missing the odd thing instead of just keeping the game flowing

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                                            #22
                                            When the Sb and BB are 'dead hands', im pulling firstly all their cards in to the muck before UTG acts, and then im taking the chips that are out of their stack and making a pot in the middle of the table.

                                            Bit confused about the returned chips bit, did the Sb actually get chips returned too?
                                            Mental.


                                            And to the guy who said, 'go nuts at the dealer'
                                            wow, classy.

                                            You couldn't make your point in a non confrontational manner no?
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