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    PP screwing the idiots

    Good aul' Paddy scalping his "valued" poker customers once again.
    They've changed their MTT structures and decided to:

    Charge rake on all re-buys/top-ups.
    & lengthened the re-buy period to make it more likely you'll spend more.

    Reduced the length of time between levels.

    increased the starting stacks but couldn't resist a bit of sleight of hand by
    increasing the first blind to offset any benefit the players might get.

    Offer fewer tournaments & choice in the lobby.

    Thanks Paddy,
    such you're mighty crack altogether.

    #2
    youuu're welcome
    X can be anything, any number, that is what’s CRAZY about X.
    Because X doesn’t roll like that, because X can’t be pinned down!

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      #3
      i'd aimagine none of the things you mentioned were changed by PaddyPower.
      They are set by the iPoker network.


      Also, changing the first level doesn't change the affect of a starting stake. Compare the 10th level before and after

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mellor View Post
        i'd aimagine none of the things you mentioned were changed by PaddyPower.
        They are set by the iPoker network.


        Also, changing the first level doesn't change the affect of a starting stake. Compare the 10th level before and after
        The supplier/customer relationship is defined by the contractual obligations
        these two parties enter into with each other.
        Any third party arrangements either enters into with another organisation
        is a matter solely between them and should not indemnify
        against failure to deliver on the rights or expectations of an excluded primary party.

        Any change to Starting stacks or Blinds has a material effect on the depth of play.
        The simplest way to calculate the depth of play is to
        divide your stack by the cost of a round of blinds+antes at any given time.
        The smaller the resultant number the greater the influence of variance
        and thus the advantage of a more skilled player is deminished.
        If the blinds begin or advance at a higher rate the less value for skilled players.

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          #5
          Originally posted by DeeBrown View Post
          The supplier/customer relationship is defined by the contractual obligations
          these two parties enter into with each other.
          Any third party arrangements either enters into with another organisation
          is a matter solely between them and should not indemnify
          against failure to deliver on the rights or expectations of an excluded primary party.
          The supplier is ipoker, not paddy power. Paddypower don't operate the games, ipoker do.


          Any change to Starting stacks or Blinds has a material effect on the depth of play.
          The simplest way to calculate the depth of play is to
          divide your stack by the cost of a round of blinds+antes at any given time.
          The smaller the resultant number the greater the influence of variance
          and thus the advantage of a more skilled player is deminished.
          If the blinds begin or advance at a higher rate the less value for skilled players.
          Yes I'm aware. Not sure why you think that affects what I said.


          For example, if they double the starting stack, but then double the starting stack there is no net effect to the player. But unless all the levels are doubled, which is unlikely to be the case, the effect comes into play later. As I said, compare the 10th level.
          You said they offset the first level, that's minor. What was the 10th level before/after

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            #6
            My supplier is PP.
            iPoker provide the platform to PP as a 3rd party.
            PP then charges their customers to use the product they deliver.

            if Cadbury decide to cut costs by using inferior cocoa beans.
            My problem is with Cadbury for selling me inferior chocolate.
            PP are now offering me, their customer, an inferior product.

            If you take snapshots at various stages the pattern which emerges
            is that the "depth" of the effective stacks in the new structures
            decreases significantly faster then they did with the old structures.

            increasing the starting stack and Blinds by the same multiple
            would clearly have a neutral effect on the structure.
            However the new structures have not only increased the blinds
            by a bigger factor than the stack
            the blind levels have also been speeded up giving less time at each level.

            Using M as the figure arrived at by calculating Stack / Cost of Blinds+Antes.
            in the past MTT's would generally be close to a cash around Level 22.

            Freeze-Outs start with 57.14m now instead of 66.67m with the old structure.
            by Level 22 the average stack used to contain 3.33, now that figure will be 1.90.

            That pattern of shallower stacks is consistent from beginning to end in Freeze-Outs.
            Re-Buys will now start with a larger effective stack
            however by the time the tournament enters the freeze-out stage
            these tournaments will also have seen the comparative m
            reduced to 75% of the levels offered by the older structures.
            Last edited by DeeBrown; 15-08-16, 04:02.

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              #7


              edit: but seriously just play on a diff site instead, plenty out there.
              Last edited by chips1234; 15-08-16, 04:04.

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                #8
                Originally posted by DeeBrown View Post
                My supplier is PP.
                iPoker provide the platform to PP as a 3rd party.
                PP then charges their customers to use the product they deliver.
                Ok simple question.
                Who sets the blind levels, tourney structure, take, rebuts etc.
                Paddy power or iPoker?


                increasing the starting stack and Blinds by the same multiple
                would clearly have a neutral effect on the structure.
                What are the starting stacks and first 10 blinds before and after?
                In your OP you said they offset the first level?


                As chips said, they aren't the only option. They were never the best, or remotely good value for the punter

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                  #9
                  Well sure, it would be tough for them to screw over the smart people since they haven't played on ipoker since 2007
                  Go big or go homeless.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Mellor View Post
                    They were never the best, or remotely good value for the punter
                    Odd statement to make for a man pimping the company
                    for a €35 bonus on every post he makes.
                    BetFair & PP are amalgamated.

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                      #11
                      How can someone that has been on the forum for over six years be so clueless? Seriously?

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by DeeBrown View Post
                        Odd statement to make for a man pimping the company
                        for a €35 bonus on every post he makes.
                        BetFair & PP are amalgamated.
                        Not really, that bonus offer was from before the betfair merger, I've no idea if it's even still valid.
                        Regardless if you can't tell the difference between paddy power and betfair maybe you should give up.

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                          #13
                          Head gasket m8

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                            #14
                            if Cadbury decide to cut costs by using inferior cocoa beans.
                            My problem is with Cadbury for selling me inferior chocolate
                            Exactly.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Denny Crane View Post
                              Exactly.
                              Yes but if you buy a groupon deal for a hotel and that hotel gives you a shitty meal as part of the package your problem is with the hotel not groupon.

                              The thought that I considered multitabling on Paddy Power for a few hours a way to enjoy myself either shows that I was suffering from severe depression and didnt realise it or I have grown significantly as a person. Both seem very unlikely.

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                                #16
                                iPoker Must Die.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by CHDog View Post
                                  iPoker Must Die.
                                  Won't be long now.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Lplate View Post
                                    Won't be long now.
                                    They've just changed a huge % of their games. Their rebuys are 10k-10k-20k. They have some 20k starting stack freezeout, added lots of bounty games and more 6 max with deep structures. Don't think they are going anywhere yet!

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                                      #19
                                      Do any one of you know what the I in ipoker stands for ?


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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by DundalkCardClub View Post
                                        Do any one of you know what the I in ipoker stands for ?


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                                        internet presumably

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                                          #21
                                          It's not PP per se screwing the idiots. The industry as a whole is lacking in innovation. Most of these changes to game type, game format, shorter levels, bounties etc, 6-max, mirror changes at Stars, and are designed to:

                                          Reduce the edge of regs
                                          Increase traffic between sports book and poker
                                          Decrease distinction between poker and house games
                                          Keep recreational players liquid for a bit longer - i.e. via bounties

                                          Serious players can either adjust game selection/and strategy to counteract/exploit the changes, or play on different sites.

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                                            #22
                                            No it's Isreali poker


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