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    I think you played it fine
    "In the world, there are many kings but there is only one God. I am God, I am El Tren" :{)

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      Originally posted by bubbleking View Post
      Re value raising the river - whats calling me?

      if anything villain 2 is the only one in the hand likely to have anything but i doubt he'd pay me off with KJ/K10
      I play it the same as you, I was just saying that raising the turn was a bit mad.

      Raising river is less mad.

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        Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
        I play it the same as you, I was just saying that raising the turn was a bit mad.

        Raising river is less mad.
        yeah agreed raising the turn would leave me so wide open for self pwnage It would be sick

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          I think its fine too. Not a big fan of raising turn. You can squeeze pre though if hes that bad.
          Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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            Villain is 22/12/2 after 50 hands. No history. I hate when this happens. Is this way too wide a range to give him. I need about 38%. Is he shipping hands like AQ, KQ here or even AJ? Or is he much more likely to have TT+

            Board: Ts Jc 4d
            Dead:

            equity win tie pots won pots tied
            Hand 0: 44.422% 43.78% 00.64% 338088 4942.50 { AKo }
            Hand 1: 55.578% 54.94% 00.64% 424227 4942.50 { TT+, AQs-AJs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AQo-AJo, KJo+ }


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            No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

            CO ($73.30)
            Hero (BB) ($100)
            UTG ($198.22)
            Button ($113.25)
            MP ($20)
            SB ($112.38)

            Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
            2 folds, CO bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises $9, CO calls $7

            Flop: ($20.50) 4, J, 10 (2 players)
            Hero bets $10, CO raises $63.30 (All-In),

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              annoying but I fold

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                Originally posted by BobSloane View Post
                Villain is 22/12/2 after 50 hands. No history. I hate when this happens. Is this way too wide a range to give him. I need about 38%. Is he shipping hands like AQ, KQ here or even AJ? Or is he much more likely to have TT+

                Board: Ts Jc 4d
                Dead:

                equity win tie pots won pots tied
                Hand 0: 44.422% 43.78% 00.64% 338088 4942.50 { AKo }
                Hand 1: 55.578% 54.94% 00.64% 424227 4942.50 { TT+, AQs-AJs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AQo-AJo, KJo+ }


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                No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                CO ($73.30)
                Hero (BB) ($100)
                UTG ($198.22)
                Button ($113.25)
                MP ($20)
                SB ($112.38)

                Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
                2 folds, CO bets $3, 2 folds, Hero raises $9, CO calls $7

                Flop: ($20.50) 4, J, 10 (2 players)
                Hero bets $10, CO raises $63.30 (All-In),
                Meh, call it off. It's about breakeven vs a pessimistic stove (he might 4b pf with QQ+/might call pf with 98s,Q9s etc)

                equity win tie pots won pots tied
                Hand 0: 37.990% 37.54% 00.45% 249744 2998.50 { AKo }
                Hand 1: 62.010% 61.56% 00.45% 409539 2998.50 { TT+, AQs-AJs, KJs+, QJs, JTs, AJo, KJo+ }

                FWIW, my default cbet size with these stacks on this flop would be ~ $15 (sizing for 2 streets of betting).

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                  Well I called and he had KK but i binked an A anyway because I'm gutsy and fortunate


                  Main Entry: gutsy
                  Pronunciation: \ˈgət-sē\
                  Function: adjective
                  Inflected Form(s): guts·i·er; guts·i·est
                  Date: circa 1893
                  1 : marked by courage, pluck, or determination <a gutsy little fighter> <a gutsy decision>

                  Main Entry: for·tu·nate
                  Pronunciation: \ˈfȯrch-nət, ˈfȯr-chə-\
                  Function: adjective
                  Date: 14th century
                  1 : bringing some good thing not foreseen as certain : auspicious
                  2 : receiving some unexpected good
                  synonyms see lucky

                  odd post but im quite out of it

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                    Yeah I call. And agree your cbet should be larger. $12 min.
                    "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                      Im joining the party pretty late and just got HEM professional + Omaha edition. For the meantime I want to be able to record my sessions to look back over later before I start to use more of the functions. So how do I record the sessions and replay them later?

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                        Villain is 42/20/2 after less than 100 hands. He has played some hands weird donking at some point in the hand and not being looked up. Should I shove the turn myself? I dont know what his range is but he's taken a line like this a few times against different players so I imagine its wider than 2 pair+. The river is a total brick so I dont see how I can fold but maybe I should?
                        My real question is about the turn though. Should I shove this v this player or call and bluff catch river


                        No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                        Hero (MP) ($104.55)
                        UTG ($141.80)
                        Button ($100)
                        BB ($100)
                        SB ($95.50)

                        Preflop: Hero is MP with A, K
                        UTG bets $3, Hero raises $10, 3 folds, UTG calls $7

                        Flop: ($21.50) 4, 10, A (2 players)
                        UTG checks, Hero bets $14, UTG calls $14

                        Turn: ($49.50) Q (2 players)
                        UTG bets $23.75, Hero calls $23.75

                        River: ($97) 2 (2 players)
                        UTG bets $47.50, Hero calls $47.50

                        Total pot: $192
                        Last edited by BobSloane; 11-04-10, 20:55.

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                          I play the same and would be happy about it. I dont think shoving the trun is awful either with all draws out there. If you fold anywhere, its on the turn as you know yourself.

                          His bet sizing isnt really indicative of a strong hand

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                            Hand 1: Yeah call it off. What bozzer said about bet sizing too.
                            Hand 2: I prefer a call/call.
                            Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                              BobSloane against a player lie that Id be betting bigger for value. If he is going to call that flop for 14, he is going to call it for 16 and probably 18 too. Perhaps even higher.

                              That way if he donks the turn as such stacks are good for a shove.
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                                I almost folded flop but now Im at the river

                                Villain is 22/18/2.7 who has played 250k hands since middle of feb. <1bb/100 winner. AF by street 2.6/2.5/5 I only looked that up for posting the hand though and think i would fold flop if I knew at the time. River? My hand is face up as a decent jack or QQ+ and although he is repping a narrow range he prob has it alot.? I expect he will shove KQ here as well as the boats. Having called flop, should I just fold turn when he fires again as he's prob gonna ship the river anyway. i wish i folded flop

                                No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                SB ($100)
                                MP ($135.30)
                                Hero (UTG) ($135.47)
                                Button ($243.50)
                                BB ($100.60)

                                Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, A
                                Hero bets $3, MP calls $3, 3 folds

                                Flop: ($7.50) J, 3, 10 (2 players)
                                Hero bets $5, MP raises $15, Hero calls $10

                                Turn: ($37.50) 10 (2 players)
                                Hero checks, MP bets $25, Hero calls $25

                                River: ($87.50) 9 (2 players)
                                Hero checks, MP bets $92.30 (All-In), Hero folds

                                Total pot: $87.50

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                                  Fold flop, fold turn, but once you get there I'd call the river

                                  On the flop you are in a horrible situation, it really makes no difference if he has a lot of draws in his range, unless he raises a lot of flops just fold and pretend you had nothing.

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                                    cbeting and folding that flop to heat, has to be wrong?!?
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                                      idk i think hj is right, you're oop and there's just so many bad cards.

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                                        Now don't scron the moron but would leading out on the flop or the turn be wrong and why?

                                        I know certain reasons but as a newbie still really learning the ins and outs or why not to do something i'd rather hear a more intelligent player tell me why.
                                        Last edited by MegaSin; 13-04-10, 10:35.

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                                          Originally posted by Semibluff View Post
                                          cbeting and folding that flop to heat, has to be wrong?!?
                                          Why? The stat I would always check here is raise cbet. If its high enough I would probably get it all in on either the flop or turn. Otherwise I'm folding. Its only exploitable if people are raising a lot of flops.

                                          Its one of those situations where it doesn't make much difference whether you have the best hand or not, your opponent has such a huge advantage it doesn't make sense trying to protect the relatively small pot. Your hand is weak vs his value range, the only hand you have outs against is TJ, and your outs in that case make a straight possible meaning you aren't going to get paid off.

                                          Megasin, do you mean leading on the turn having called the flop raise?

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                                            Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post
                                            Megasin, do you mean leading on the turn having called the flop raise?

                                            Well yeah. I don't use HEM so those numbers mean nothing to me.

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                                              Does anybody have a good indication of what an exploitable Limp-call stat would be? I know any kind of limp calling is LOL bad but at what point does it become free money?

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                                                If they limp call with anything it will be free money when you are in position and have initiative.
                                                I will iso raise any limper the first time he does it and as much as I can after. It is free money from the word go. So basically limp calling is exploitable so it is always exploitable.
                                                Last edited by RoadSweeper; 13-04-10, 11:58.

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                                                  In theory if you were to limp call a strong range, say AQ+,88+, then it would be - EV for anyone to try and isolate without a good hand. No-one plays like that though

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                                                    Just checking the "standardness" of these spots. Obviously lost both, but think my play was right, always nice to have someone say yes or no though.

                                                    Rush Poker - no reads

                                                    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                    Hero (CO) ($25)
                                                    Button ($29.42)
                                                    SB ($27.13)
                                                    BB ($25)
                                                    UTG ($12.84)
                                                    MP ($23.72)

                                                    Preflop: Hero is CO with J, 10
                                                    1 fold, MP bets $1, Hero calls $1, 3 folds

                                                    Flop: ($2.35) A, 9, Q (2 players)
                                                    MP bets $2, Hero raises to $6.70, MP raises to $22.72 (All-In), Hero calls $16.02

                                                    Turn: ($47.79) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

                                                    River: ($47.79) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

                                                    Total pot: $47.79 | Rake: $2.38


                                                    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                    SB ($34.95)
                                                    Hero (BB) ($39.79)
                                                    UTG ($26.10)
                                                    MP ($30.68)
                                                    CO ($10.57)
                                                    Button ($17.19)

                                                    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q
                                                    1 fold, MP bets $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, Button raises to $7, Hero raises to $39.79 (All-In), Button calls $10.19 (All-In)

                                                    Flop: ($35.33) 4, 2, 9 (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                                    Turn: ($35.33) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                                    River: ($35.33) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                                    Total pot: $35.33 | Rake: $1.76

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                                                      Both look Standard. I would prob just call the flop in the first hand but raising is fine.

                                                      Opr

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                                                        Sigh, wrong side of set over set in the new 250bb ante tables on Stars. Any general advice for strat in these games?

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                                                          steal more, open more in position.

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                                                            This fine? Or should I be bet/folding the river?

                                                            Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                            Button ($37.84)
                                                            Hero (SB) ($94.98)
                                                            BB ($25.57)
                                                            UTG ($26.91)
                                                            MP ($24.94)
                                                            CO ($32.79)

                                                            Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
                                                            UTG bets $0.85, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.65

                                                            Flop: ($5.25) 4, 6, Q (2 players)
                                                            Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

                                                            Turn: ($12.25) Q (2 players)
                                                            Hero checks, UTG checks

                                                            River: ($12.25) 7 (2 players)
                                                            Hero checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7

                                                            Total pot: $26.25 | Rake: $1.31

                                                            Results:
                                                            Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and Queens).
                                                            UTG had Q, K (three of a kind, Queens).
                                                            Outcome: UTG won $24.94

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                                                              looks fine to me emmet - I dunno why but I hate taking the bet folding line it makes the baby Jesus cry

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                                                                Line check

                                                                Villain is 19/17 with an aggression factor of 14 over 150 hands.

                                                                PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                Button ($10.45)
                                                                SB ($15.70)
                                                                BB ($10)
                                                                UTG ($10)
                                                                Hero (MP) ($17.85)
                                                                CO ($13.10)

                                                                Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 8
                                                                UTG calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, BB calls $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

                                                                Flop: ($1.65) 3, 5, 5 (4 players)
                                                                BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $0.80, Button calls $0.80, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.80

                                                                Turn: ($4.05) 3 (3 players)
                                                                UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $2, 1 fold, Hero folds

                                                                Total pot: $4.05 | Rake: $0.20

                                                                Results:
                                                                Button didn't show
                                                                Outcome: Button won $3.85

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                                                                  bet more on the flop ~1.20

                                                                  C/F turn (assuming same action)

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                                                                    Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                                                                    This fine? Or should I be bet/folding the river?

                                                                    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                    Button ($37.84)
                                                                    Hero (SB) ($94.98)
                                                                    BB ($25.57)
                                                                    UTG ($26.91)
                                                                    MP ($24.94)
                                                                    CO ($32.79)

                                                                    Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
                                                                    UTG bets $0.85, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.65

                                                                    Flop: ($5.25) 4, 6, Q (2 players)
                                                                    Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

                                                                    Turn: ($12.25) Q (2 players)
                                                                    Hero checks, UTG checks

                                                                    River: ($12.25) 7 (2 players)
                                                                    Hero checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7

                                                                    Total pot: $26.25 | Rake: $1.31

                                                                    Results:
                                                                    Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and Queens).
                                                                    UTG had Q, K (three of a kind, Queens).
                                                                    Outcome: UTG won $24.94
                                                                    I 3bet bigger pre, i bet the turn and as played i lead the river.
                                                                    When he checks back the turn i think his range is a lot of mid pairs that want to get to showdown that will check back the river so i prefer betting than check calling.
                                                                    Originally posted by ArmaniJeans
                                                                    I like this heat - some proper music innit.
                                                                    None of the 'black disabled lesbian warbling backwards' stuff that the other players inflicted on me.

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                                                                      should I be happy I have a very healthy looking EV line or be devastated I'm running 7 BI's below it?

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                                                                        I like c/cing the river in the AA hand. After checking the turn we can't really have a Q so I think we induce a lot of bluffs from missed draws and maybe 88-TT. I dunno if 88-TT call a bet on this river given action. Our hand looks a lot like JJ, KK, AA and AK.

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                                                                          Originally posted by bubbleking View Post
                                                                          should I be happy I have a very healthy looking EV line or be devastated I'm running 7 BI's below it?
                                                                          My Ev line and profit were like mirror images for about a 20k hand stretch there. Horrible stuff. Be prepared if you're only on 7bi!

                                                                          And I definitely c/c the AA hand. I think its a much more cohesive line, and your hand is face up when you bet imo. You'll induce bluffs from the missed, and even thin VBs from like 88+.

                                                                          I think that would be much better than betting.
                                                                          Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                                            Dont normally post hands but this is really annoying me today.

                                                                            Live donkament, 34 runners, 7 left on FT. Blinds 1500/3000, avg 38k. 1st €500, 2nd €350, 3rd €200

                                                                            My stack is 33k, and to my direct left are 2 of the bigger stacks, 60k and >80k

                                                                            My image would be pretty TAG, started FT with 1.5x avg, only hands I've been involved in I have opened three or so times only for the CL to ship over the top. Had to lay down medium pairs etc.

                                                                            This hand, MP (loose enough generally but hasn't done much at this FT so far, playing 75k) opens to 7k, folded to me in SB and I ship 33k with A3.

                                                                            Thoughts on this? Am I being over aggro trying to get back to avg, or is 11BB's enough to sit tight at this stage?

                                                                            Thoughts please!

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                                                                              Don't be looking for fold equty with a 3b with 11bb. Especially over an MP raise. I'd fold the A3 there pretty fast.
                                                                              Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                                                Originally posted by TommyGunne View Post
                                                                                Don't be looking for fold equty with a 3b with 11bb. Especially over an MP raise. I'd fold the A3 there pretty fast.
                                                                                Thanks. What would be a decent range for shipping in this spot do you reckon?

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                                                                                  Originally posted by NewApproach View Post
                                                                                  Thanks. What would be a decent range for shipping in this spot do you reckon?
                                                                                  Hugely depends on MPs opening range. You would have a much better idea of this that I would. I'd probably ship AT+, 77+, KQ. I doubt he's opening hugely light here, and he'll probably call close to 90% of his range (although a lot of people will be calling 100%, cos you shouldn't really be opening and folding to a 11bb shove.)
                                                                                  Foldaramus et foldarabimus

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                                                                                    Anyone have a problem with weaktight where it doesnt show up options of where to stop the action in the hand?

                                                                                    Its really getting to me as I cant figure it out at all. I have spoken to people with the same options ticked that have no problem. When I click on the field it looks like this



                                                                                    Anyone that knows weaktight will see that there should be more options of where in the hand to stop the action- these are just menu headings and not actions.

                                                                                    Any help appreciated.

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                                                                                      Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                                                                                      This fine? Or should I be bet/folding the river?

                                                                                      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                                      Button ($37.84)
                                                                                      Hero (SB) ($94.98)
                                                                                      BB ($25.57)
                                                                                      UTG ($26.91)
                                                                                      MP ($24.94)
                                                                                      CO ($32.79)

                                                                                      Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
                                                                                      UTG bets $0.85, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.65

                                                                                      Flop: ($5.25) 4, 6, Q (2 players)
                                                                                      Hero bets $3.50, UTG calls $3.50

                                                                                      Turn: ($12.25) Q (2 players)
                                                                                      Hero checks, UTG checks

                                                                                      River: ($12.25) 7 (2 players)
                                                                                      Hero checks, UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7

                                                                                      Total pot: $26.25 | Rake: $1.31

                                                                                      Results:
                                                                                      Hero had A, A (two pair, Aces and Queens).
                                                                                      UTG had Q, K (three of a kind, Queens).
                                                                                      Outcome: UTG won $24.94
                                                                                      3 bet bigger pre.

                                                                                      Flops ok.

                                                                                      I'd bet/fold the turn I think your missing a ton of value there. People at this level will call with a lot of underpairs when the board pairs and a lot will continue with whatever draws they have. Obv fold if he raises. If he calls the turn, I see on the river but prob check fold. I might call against certain types.
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                                                                                        Originally posted by CaptainPlanet View Post
                                                                                        3 bet bigger pre.

                                                                                        Flops ok.

                                                                                        I'd bet/fold the turn I think your missing a ton of value there. People at this level will call with a lot of underpairs when the board pairs and a lot will continue with whatever draws they have. Obv fold if he raises. If he calls the turn, I see on the river but prob check fold. I might call against certain types.
                                                                                        Why do you bet the turn for value and c/f most rivers? This doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me.

                                                                                        I don't mean this as snide comment btw, I'm genuinely curious.

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                                                                                          Preflop bet sizing is perfect IMO.
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                                                                                            Originally posted by daire View Post
                                                                                            Why do you bet the turn for value and c/f most rivers? This doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me.

                                                                                            I don't mean this as snide comment btw, I'm genuinely curious.
                                                                                            On the turn villains range is pair heavy 88-JJ(24 combos). He has some queens maybe KQ,QJs,AQ (which is 21 combos i think as we have AA and theres a Q out there) in his range and not many draws as we have Ace of spades. He will prob call another bet with pretty much all his range that isn't a total float but he will never raise our bet with like TT or whatever and he will probably not bet TT himself if we check. River isn't a total brick but villain raise/called utg so he prob doesn't have 35s or 77 or the like. He will check back all his pairs on the river but prob not call a big river bet anyway and he will bet all his queens and maybe his missed draws - but he doesn't have as many missed draws in his range as we have the nfd card. or something like that

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                                                                                              Originally posted by daire View Post
                                                                                              Why do you bet the turn for value and c/f most rivers? This doesn't make an awful lot of sense to me.

                                                                                              I don't mean this as snide comment btw, I'm genuinely curious.
                                                                                              What Bob Sloane said.

                                                                                              But on a simpler level, I bet the turn because he can call with a lot worse and often.

                                                                                              I check the river because he can't.

                                                                                              He might bet worse for value (unlikely) and he might bluff(a little more likely but still unlikely) but when he bets the river after being checked to he is nearly always betting a better hand than AA.
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                                                                                                Originally posted by BobSloane View Post
                                                                                                he will never raise our bet with like TT or whatever and he will probably not bet TT himself if we check.
                                                                                                I don't play onine cash anymore but is this standard? This doesn't seem right to me against anyone decent.

                                                                                                As I said I don't play online cash and i'm genuinely curious.
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                                                                                                  Originally posted by dannydiamond View Post
                                                                                                  I don't play onine cash anymore but is this standard? This doesn't seem right to me against anyone decent.

                                                                                                  As I said I don't play online cash and i'm genuinely curious.
                                                                                                  Is what standard?
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                                                                                                    Cheers lads. I guess my expectations of opponents have been heavily influenced by my exclusively microstakes experiences.

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                                                                                                      My post above is a long way off the mark. On the turn the amount of Qs in his range is much less as there are two out there - if he is caling pre with QJs,KQ,AQ. But then again there is no info on villain in op so he could be a mongoloid 60/15 or a total nit 9/7 but most likely somewhere in between.

                                                                                                      But anyway if we bet the turn and he calls his range on the river - besides unlikely bs doulble floats - is weaker made hands, a queen, missed draws. Most players will check back their weaker made hands(but not call a big bet anyway) and be glad to get to showdown. Most will bet a queen or better and some will take a stab with their missed draws but because we have the ace of spades and there aren't many draws for an utg raise/calling range if he bets he most likely has a queen.

                                                                                                      Danny I'm not sure what you are getting at. If he has TT on Q46Qss do you expect him to raise our turn bet? Or bet if we check to him because he puts us on AK and wants to protect against the 6 outs? Or turn it into a bluff so we might fold JJ,KK,AA? I'd consider checking it back to be standard but I could be the one thats wrong!

                                                                                                      Given that the turn went check/check emmet could bet/fold the river or check/call. He cant check/fold as his hand is so under repped and villain could now def be value betting worse.
                                                                                                      I rather bet the turn like captain planet says because we are missing a ton of value from the pairs that will call and we are missing value again on the river by checking basically hoping he will value bet worse or bluff and despairingly trying to get our AA to sd instead of betting it like a man and making ourselves more aggressive and harder to play against

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                                                                                                        Checking back TT on the river is def standard,similarly checking the turn behind if checked to is standard too.

                                                                                                        I cant see any reason you'd raise the turn/bet the river, especially if your decent. I can see a very very good player perhaps turning it into a bluff (and making us fold AA because "when he bets the river he always has a better hand that AA") but its very rare someone would even consider that. Despite the board, TT still has relatively good showdown value.
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                                                                                                          Do we still always bet the turn if there's no flushdraw? Or is there some merit to checking and letting him vb worse?

                                                                                                          Also, against a spewy guy/fish we c/c on the river after betting the turn, right?

                                                                                                          Betting TT on this river would be suicide against our hero's line IMO.

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                                                                                                            The thing is that on the turn a flush draw is only a very small part of his range - more so because we have the ace of spades. We are value betting to get value from the 88-JJ part of his range. Unfortunately we are value-towning ourselves against the Qx part of his range. There is little merit to checking to let him value bet worse(imo) because he won't value bet the 88-JJ part of his range. Against a spewy player who will just auto bet if checked to we can check/call turn and river because he may bet TT because you have checked and he thinks he should bet for some reason or he can't help but bluff with some hand he floated with or whatever. You can play it a few ways I suppose depending on what type of villain you have and what he thinks of you. But I prefer to bet/fold the turn and check/fold the river vs standard small stakes guys i encounter who will play their hands fairly honestly and face up for the most part

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                                                                                                              Fairly standard spot i suppose. original raiser is 39/16/2 with a fold to 3b% of 0 after 100 hands. Button is 22/17/2.4 with 3b% of 10 after 100 hands and seems decent so far.


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                                                                                                              Button ($165.75)
                                                                                                              BB ($102.15)
                                                                                                              Hero (SB) ($100.50)
                                                                                                              UTG ($124.08)
                                                                                                              CO ($56.55)
                                                                                                              MP ($110.87)

                                                                                                              Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
                                                                                                              1 fold, MP bets $4, 1 fold, Button raises $12, [color=#666666][i]

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by BobSloane View Post
                                                                                                                Fairly standard spot i suppose. original raiser is 39/16/2 with a fold to 3b% of 0 after 100 hands. Button is 22/17/2.4 with 3b% of 10 after 100 hands and seems decent so far.


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                                                                                                                Button ($165.75)
                                                                                                                BB ($102.15)
                                                                                                                Hero (SB) ($100.50)
                                                                                                                UTG ($124.08)
                                                                                                                CO ($56.55)
                                                                                                                MP ($110.87)

                                                                                                                Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
                                                                                                                1 fold, MP bets $4, 1 fold, Button raises $12, [color=#666666][i]
                                                                                                                Flat call IMO. MP playing 39/16 will almost certainly call too. I wouldn't 4bet because you lose too much value from MP.
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                                                                                                                  Firstly, I am a chump when it comes to draws.

                                                                                                                  Secondly, I never know what the right line is here.

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                                                                                                                  UTG ($70.35)
                                                                                                                  MP ($26.85)
                                                                                                                  CO ($37.25)
                                                                                                                  Hero (Button) ($53.80)
                                                                                                                  SB ($77.85)
                                                                                                                  BB ($55.70)

                                                                                                                  Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 8
                                                                                                                  UTG bets $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds

                                                                                                                  Flop: ($4.25) 9, 6, 7 (2 players)
                                                                                                                  UTG bets $3, Hero ????

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                                                                                                                    Start by calling, raising achieves nothing and we're obviously not folding
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                                                                                                                      Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                                                                                                                      Firstly, I am a chump when it comes to draws.

                                                                                                                      Secondly, I never know what the right line is here.

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                                                                                                                      UTG ($70.35)
                                                                                                                      MP ($26.85)
                                                                                                                      CO ($37.25)
                                                                                                                      Hero (Button) ($53.80)
                                                                                                                      SB ($77.85)
                                                                                                                      BB ($55.70)

                                                                                                                      Preflop: Hero is Button with 9, 8
                                                                                                                      UTG bets $1.75, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.75, 2 folds

                                                                                                                      Flop: ($4.25) 9, 6, 7 (2 players)
                                                                                                                      UTG bets $3, Hero ????
                                                                                                                      Top pair with a SD. Not fold of course. Interesting to see what people think here.

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                                                                                                                        likewise this hand. Difference is I am the pfr here

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                                                                                                                        Button ($12.30)
                                                                                                                        SB ($29.75)
                                                                                                                        BB ($50)
                                                                                                                        UTG ($134.10)
                                                                                                                        MP ($32)
                                                                                                                        Hero (CO) ($56.40)

                                                                                                                        Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, J
                                                                                                                        2 folds, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1

                                                                                                                        Flop: ($3.25) 7, 9, J (2 players)
                                                                                                                        BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

                                                                                                                        Turn: ($8.25) Q (2 players)
                                                                                                                        BB checks, Hero bets $5, BB calls $5

                                                                                                                        River: ($18.25) 3 (2 players)
                                                                                                                        BB checks, Hero checks

                                                                                                                        Total pot: $18.25 | Rake: $0.90

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                                                                                                                          Not that I dislike your line, but why are you betting the turn? That's the key question and knowing the answer to it is what will improve your game. It's a genuine question by the way, not meant in a why on earth would you do that kind of way and I'm not saying it's right or wrong
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