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Old Today, 12:50   #68081
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I used to consume a lot of books on Republican paramilitaries back in the day.
I bought https://irishacademicpress.ie/produc...and-1969-1980/ and a few by Tim Pat Coogan recently.

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Old Today, 12:56   #68082
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Statistically, isn't he correct? Maybe he could have worded it better but wouldn't set off any racism alarms for me.
Historically terrorist attacks via suicide bombing have been Muslim men but it is an infinitesimal proportion of Muslim men.

It's a very sweeping statement that certainly signals racial connotations given he's not an idiot and understands the threat posed by a random Muslim man is minuscule.

*missed AJ's post, yep what he said
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Old Today, 12:58   #68083
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We have pancakes most sundays, nutella and strawberries on top. The really big, fluffy American style pancakes. Bloody gorgeous. Mate of mine popped round this morning before we head to Kerry and he loved em. Regret nothing. Lol
I've been off bread/cake/biscuits for the last 6 weeks, so this was a major falling off the wagon. Tried the American style ones for a change too. Think I'll keep them as a once a month treat though. https://www.odlums.ie/recipes/american-style-pancakes/
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I'm sure, after O'Leary's comments, any would be bomber will bring along the family too. I'm sure the wife and kids can't be happy with him either.
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Old Today, 13:32   #68085
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I bought https://irishacademicpress.ie/produc...and-1969-1980/ and a few by Tim Pat Coogan recently.

Anything else worth picking up?
Been a long time. The final one I read was A secret history of the IRA by Ed Maloney which was very good. Others that randomly come to mind are Bandit Country by Toby Harnden which focused on South Armagh, The Informer by Sean O'Callaghan, Killing Rage by Eamon Collins, INLA: Deadly Divisions.

Troubles porn tbh.
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Old Today, 13:38   #68086
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Current Garda Commissioner Drew Harris believes that a report from 2015 is still relevant to the current situation. Not a revelation but a pretty overt declaration. Additionally, I suspect he has access to a variety of further information to support those claims plus the original claims were supported by MI5 which is one the most accomplished organisations in the domain.

Hardly much has changed since 2015? He'd hardly support it now if he wasn't still equally, if not more assured than ever.

I actually don't think the majority of people voting SF are really aware or actually believe that Mary Lou and party take their directives from the PIRA. It seems still to be the case and that's hardly very democratic. You vote for person/party with the idea that they're the decision makers but in effect they take their directive from a non-elected decommisioned paramilitary body.

It happens in every political system that the non elected often have a disproportionate amount of influence but this seems quite different to most situations.
Text of the report is that “PIRA members *believe* PAC oversees activities of PIRA and SF”. It also went on to say that any structures of the PIRA were fully committed to a democratic process. All Drew Harris said yesterday is that he works with security forces in U.K. and believes any intelligence reports that are out there. So Drew Harris believes in a 2015 report about what anonymous PIRA members believe.

The takeaway of ‘Garda Commissioner says PIRA oversees SF’ is a twist of the situation. And ignores last Garda Commissioner saying they had no evidence of PIRA activity in the south.

If this was a real threat, repudiate the peace process and advocate for SF to be unfit to take power both North and South. But that’s not what FFG politicians or the media are saying, because there is nothing actually here. This is just political point scoring, pure shite.

And, either way, has nothing to do with Housing, health, tax or the climate. Which FFG clearly don’t want to talk about. Keep going, last week’s post election poll clearly shows this isn’t working.
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Old Today, 13:49   #68087
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Old Today, 13:56   #68088
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Text of the report is that “PIRA members *believe* PAC oversees activities of PIRA and SF”. It also went on to say that any structures of the PIRA were fully committed to a democratic process. All Drew Harris said yesterday is that he works with security forces in U.K. and believes any intelligence reports that are out there. So Drew Harris believes in a 2015 report about what anonymous PIRA members believe.

The takeaway of ‘Garda Commissioner says PIRA oversees SF’ is a twist of the situation. And ignores last Garda Commissioner saying they had no evidence of PIRA activity in the south.

If this was a real threat, repudiate the peace process and advocate for SF to be unfit to take power both North and South. But that’s not what FFG politicians or the media are saying, because there is nothing actually here. This is just political point scoring, pure shite.

And, either way, has nothing to do with Housing, health, tax or the climate. Which FFG clearly don’t want to talk about. Keep going, last week’s post election poll clearly shows this isn’t working.
Do you then believe that the claim of PIRA members that PAC oversees PIRA & SF is incorrect?
That seems to me to be the closest one might get to confirmation of involvement especially in light of MI5 rubber stamping the report.
You were the one who recently claimed how fastidious they are in their counter terrorism operations.
If you aren't convinced SF get their directive from PAC, what would convince you?

On the peace process, as you can see from my post, I never claimed they weren't committed to it.
My primary issue is the structure of SF and the fact that their directives come from a non elected council which is inherently undemocratic.

I just don't quite understand how one can be convinced by PIRA that they're committed to the democratic process and then question the accuracy of where their directives originate when they are group telling you.

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C'mon Raoul, if a public figure made a similar sweeping generalisation or trope about Jewish people you would not make that statement.
Jews don't blow up planes!


They're too busy killing Palestinian babies.
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Old Today, 14:09   #68090
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Been a long time. The final one I read was A secret history of the IRA by Ed Maloney which was very good. Others that randomly come to mind are Bandit Country by Toby Harnden which focused on South Armagh, The Informer by Sean O'Callaghan, Killing Rage by Eamon Collins, INLA: Deadly Divisions.

Troubles porn tbh.
I read Making Sense of the Troubles by David McKrittick recently, it was very good, I'll keep an eye out for those.
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Old Today, 14:18   #68091
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And, either way, has nothing to do with Housing, health, tax or the climate. Which FFG clearly don’t want to talk about. Keep going, last week’s post election poll clearly shows this isn’t working.
There still exists a PIRA army council. Sinn Fein are still under it. So you could have the government of a modern democracy answering to an unelected leadership of an illegal organisation.

If you don't see this a fundamental issue of values then perhaps you simply don't share the values of most of us. We are not Northern Ireland, having Sinn Fein in power here is not a necessary evil in transitioning from conflict. We can apply normal values and standards as a normal democracy.

This is more fundamental than the political issues of the day, or party political issues, it's about the very fabric of our democracy.
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There still exists a PIRA army council. Sinn Fein are still under it. So you could have the government of a modern democracy answering to an unelected leadership of an illegal organisation.

If you don't see this a fundamental issue of values then perhaps you simply don't share the values of most of us. We are not Northern Ireland, having Sinn Fein in power here is not a necessary evil in transitioning from conflict. We can apply normal values and standards as a normal democracy.

This is more fundamental than the political issues of the day, or party political issues, it's about the very fabric of our democracy.
Yep.
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Statistically, isn't he correct? Maybe he could have worded it better but wouldn't set off any racism alarms for me.
A few years ago you made a number of similar remarks here, probably going much further than O'Leary did. These days, with Christain based Far-right terrorism being much more common, I often wonder do you ever look back and think you may have been mistaken.
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There still exists a PIRA army council. Sinn Fein are still under it. So you could have the government of a modern democracy answering to an unelected leadership of an illegal organisation.

If you don't see this a fundamental issue of values then perhaps you simply don't share the values of most of us. We are not Northern Ireland, having Sinn Fein in power here is not a necessary evil in transitioning from conflict. We can apply normal values and standards as a normal democracy.

This is more fundamental than the political issues of the day, or party political issues, it's about the very fabric of our democracy.
Very well put.
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This book gives some context to that era, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Lethal-Alli.../dp/1781171882
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