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Old 19-07-13, 21:23   #3201
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I'm in the big blind and theres a 2.5x raise utg and 1 caller

folded around to me

what range should I be flatting with?
How many BB's you got? The deeper you are the wider you can call here.

Say with 50bb we could call with 56 suited whereas with 20bb it's much better to just dump it.

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Old 19-07-13, 21:25   #3202
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How many BB's you got? The deeper you are the wider you can call here.

Says with 50bb we could call with 56 suited whereas with 20bb it's much better to just dump it.
yeah sorry should have specified, just a scenario that comes up a lot, i suppose i was thinking decent stacked 50bbs
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Old 24-07-13, 12:51   #3203
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On the last point, I don't think balancing your range is that important here, but in any case there are quite a few value hands we could have, as you say KQ, JT; but also KK (the odd time) QQ (a bit more likely) 99 (very often). My main problem is that k9 is actually at the bottom of the value raising range, and so is going to not be very profitable. I don't know if a random ok player stacks off with AK if we check raise here.

I think from experience many players double barrel too much, so calling exploits that.

A lot of this argument is based on presumptions on what our opponent is going to do, so it might be very hard to agree.
I think KK,QQ are completely discounted here but granted we'll def have 99 some. Regardless of K9 being at the bottom of our c/r value range, it's near the top of overall c/r range which is gonna induce plenty calls/jams from worse TP/pair+draw/FD hands, making K9 hugely profitable here in a vacuum.

If we go c/c it just allows villain realise too much equity, or play correctly against us with worse value hands when half the deck kills action. Using a hand as vulnerable as this to pick off multi-street airballs or hope villain value-cuts himself with worse on the purest of runouts just seems inferior to c/r flop repping a wide range
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Old 24-07-13, 16:59   #3204
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If we go c/c it just allows villain realise too much equity,
Makes sense, I tried that out myself but it yielded negative results.
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Old 30-07-13, 19:40   #3205
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What way do most play this out?

Only paying 25 mins but already looking to isolate MP1 in a pot as have seen him 3xing with garbage & blowing stack 1 in a €100 re-entry.

BB is Luckymo from here (good online winner)


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 100 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

CO (t2,227)
Button (t2,685)
SB (t2,458)
BB (t7,330)
UTG (t2,920)
UTG+1 (t3,100)
MP1 (t2,935)
Hero (MP2) (t3,110)

Hero's M: 41.47

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q, 9
2 folds, MP1 raises to t120, Hero calls t120, 3 folds, BB calls t70

Flop: (t385) Q, 7, 9 (3 players)
BB bets t200, 1 fold, Hero raises to t500, BB calls t300

Turn: (t1,385) 3 (2 players)
BB bets t550, [color=#CC3333]Hero?
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Old 30-07-13, 19:50   #3206
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If you're looking to iso then do it! Much prefer it to calling particularly as there's a large chance that you'll be facing a raise and be OOP to a decent player given the buyin level.

As played I much prefer calling the flop. I don't think too many players have a bluffing range in this spot so a decent villain is going to hear alarm bells when you raise here and it will be difficult to get value from worse.

Turn lead is a bit strange but I definitely call and re-evaluate. Not delighted though.
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Old 30-07-13, 19:57   #3207
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If you're looking to iso then do it! Much prefer it to calling particularly as there's a large chance that you'll be facing a raise and be OOP to a decent player given the buyin level.

As played I much prefer calling the flop. I don't think too many players have a bluffing range in this spot so a decent villain is going to hear alarm bells when you raise here and it will be difficult to get value from worse.

Turn lead is a bit strange but I definitely call and re-evaluate. Not delighted though.
Probably should add that BB knows I can make moves on him in position from previous.
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Old 30-07-13, 20:20   #3208
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I smell a rat when he donks flop. I'm obviously not folding, but your raise is a bit crazy.
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Old 30-07-13, 21:04   #3209
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Probably should add that BB knows I can make moves on him in position from previous.
This just doesn't strike me as a 'make a move' spot at all. Do you ever raise as a bluff on that flop?
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Old 04-08-13, 22:23   #3210
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hand that came up in galway festival . happened 3 hands into tournament.-
Starting stack 8k , villian seems like a very basic player with very little experience
hero-UTG +2
Villian-BB

Blinds 25 / 50

I look down at 22
I raise to 150 and folded to Villian who makes 400 and i flat
Flop-2 k 7 ( bingo !!! )

So he leads into me for 550 and i make it 1200 and he flats

Turn Q
And he leads again for 1800 ( im scared now )
i flat am hoping to get to showdown now as im a bit scared of his lead on turn

River-4
he bets 2500

any thoughts on what i should be doing here.
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Old 04-08-13, 22:35   #3211
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hand that came up in galway festival . happened 3 hands into tournament.-
Starting stack 8k , villian seems like a very basic player with very little experience
hero-UTG +2
Villian-BB

Blinds 25 / 50

I look down at 22
I raise to 150 and folded to Villian who makes 400 and i flat
Flop-2 k 7 ( bingo !!! )

So he leads into me for 550 and i make it 1200 and he flats

Turn Q
And he leads again for 1800 ( im scared now )
i flat am hoping to get to showdown now as im a bit scared of his lead on turn

River-4
he bets 2500

any thoughts on what i should be doing here.
shove and get shown kq, if he has kk then he deserves all the chips sure
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Old 04-08-13, 22:35   #3212
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Old 05-08-13, 08:43   #3213
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shove and get shown kq, if he has kk then he deserves all the chips sure
Thats what i was thinking was the correct play . cause set over set is to rare to fold

I ended up just caling and was shown Q Q ,
wasnt shocked at all tbh . i was more shocked to see Q Q was kinda expecting K K
I was left with around 2k and ended up winning the tourney so was all good
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Old 05-08-13, 10:53   #3214
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Thats what i was thinking was the correct play . cause set over set is to rare to fold

I ended up just caling and was shown Q Q ,
wasnt shocked at all tbh . i was more shocked to see Q Q was kinda expecting K K
I was left with around 2k and ended up winning the tourney so was all good
You totally overplayed your set imo. the poorer less experienced players tend to do this alot. If you think your beaten go with your instinct and muck your hand. It was an obvious fold on the river.
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Old 05-08-13, 11:00   #3215
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I just flat the flop bet anyways
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Old 05-08-13, 11:19   #3216
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Depends what you think his 3b will be pre ante. His sizing looks decent so I'm assuming hes ok. Pre ante most players aren't going to be stepping out of line too often. Maybe c/c c/c b/puke when he raises???
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Old 05-08-13, 11:22   #3217
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You totally overplayed your set imo. the poorer less experienced players tend to do this alot. If you think your beaten go with your instinct and muck your hand. It was an obvious fold on the river.
You're probably better off explaining yourself rather than telling someone they overplayed their set and it's such an obvious river fold.

How was the set overplayed?
How/Why was it such an obvious river fold?
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Old 05-08-13, 11:45   #3218
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You totally overplayed your set imo. the poorer less experienced players tend to do this alot. If you think your beaten go with your instinct and muck your hand. It was an obvious fold on the river.

IMO I underplayed it by not shoving the turn when he led into me , Ranges I put him on when he called the flop were - AA , KK , AK AQ , KQs , TBH it probably was a fold but its awful hard to fold a set when only hands beating me are set over set ,
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Old 06-08-13, 10:39   #3219
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You totally overplayed your set imo. the poorer less experienced players tend to do this alot. If you think your beaten go with your instinct and muck your hand. It was an obvious fold on the river.
Lol

His line looks a lot like KK+, AK. Expect QQ rarely enough after flop call, 77/ KQ almost never given 3b pre. Guess he's only got like 1k back on the river so trivial jam, might have called flop but raising is fine vs a likely nutted 3 betting range.
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Old 23-08-13, 01:13   #3220
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Live turbo (20 min blinds). Cutoff shoves for about 5 blinds. The button starts to think about it. Is it bad etiquette for the big blind to ask how much the all in is for whilst the button is still thinking?
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