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    #61
    yeah, I don't really know why I posted it, whats a good calling range here vs a limp reraise?

    Eventually got all his chips on Ahi flop with AQs vs A9o

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      #62
      Thoughts on this hand?

      Felt the BB 3bet was a squeeze, so put in a small 4bet IP.

      Bet a good chunk of the pot on the flop, repping big overpair.

      Shut down as soon as called, checked back the turn, folding unless an A or Q hits.

      Standard?

      Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

      saw flop | saw showdown

      SB ($13.09)
      BB ($8.41)
      UTG ($5.28)
      Hero (MP) ($13.90)
      CO ($3.67)
      Button ($14.68)

      Preflop: Hero is MP with A, Q
      1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, Button calls $0.17, 1 fold, BB raises to $0.70, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.80

      Flop: ($3.19) 9, 4, 7 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero bets $1.88, BB calls $1.88

      Turn: ($6.95) 6 (2 players)
      BB checks, Hero checks

      River: ($6.95) 6 (2 players)
      BB bets $5.03 (All-In), Hero folds

      Total pot: $6.95 | Rake: $0.46

      Results:
      BB didn't show
      Outcome: BB won $6.49

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        #63
        I prefer to flat the sqz and almost never 4-bet AQ. Were you calling a shove? If not its v. bad. I hate when people call 4bets; I think I would check it back and give up here. Most of his range isn't folding to a bet on the flop.

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          #64
          4bet/folding to a shove.

          His call convinces me he has QQ at best.
          I'm IP, and we're both reasonably deep. (Rush Poker so no stats)

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            #65
            Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
            4bet/folding to a shove.

            His call convinces me he has QQ at best.
            I'm IP, and we're both reasonably deep. (Rush Poker so no stats)
            Oh thought it was 10nl. I still think 4b folding is completely wasting the value of the hand and your position. I would want a read before I try and get anyone off an overpair particularly at micro stakes.

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              #66
              Call that pre all day


              If it was 100bbs and i knew he was v squeezy I would just shove.

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                #67
                Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                4bet/folding to a shove.

                His call convinces me he has QQ at best.
                I'm IP, and we're both reasonably deep. (Rush Poker so no stats)
                Latest version of HM shows stats now btw.
                "Don't overcomplicate a straight forward game with mathematical bullshit and dicussing different lines with your geeky friends" Chris Olaafson

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by Line Us View Post
                  Latest version of HM shows stats now btw.
                  O RLY? I'm off to grab that now.
                  "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                    #69
                    Lol, this is why you shouldn't 4-table rush poker when exhausted.

                    No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                    Hero (BB) ($112.35)
                    UTG ($100)
                    MP ($101.40)
                    CO ($129.95)
                    Button ($109.15)
                    SB ($145.20)

                    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7, J
                    4 folds, SB bets $2, Hero calls $1.50

                    Flop: ($5) 8, 9, Q (2 players)
                    SB bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

                    Turn: ($11.50) 4 (2 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8

                    River: ($27.50) 5 (2 players)
                    SB checks, Hero bets $19, SB raises $131.45 (All-In), Hero calls $79.60 (All-In)

                    Total pot: $224.70

                    Results:
                    SB had 6, 7 (straight, nine high).
                    Hero had 7, J (high card, Queen).
                    Outcome: SB won $254.55

                    I was planning on floating with the gutshot. Turned the FD as well. For some crazy reason my brain told me I had hit the straight on the river.

                    And it wasn't some snap call either...... I timed down going through the villains play. I figured there was very little chance that J10 was in his range, so made the call to either split or win. lol, the shock on my face when I saw the pot going his way... couldn't figure it out

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                      #70
                      3 payed

                      500,280,170

                      Btn shoves 34k, sb all in 30k, bb playing 110k. blinds 4k-8k

                      BB call with any two i assume thats ok or should he just let them fight it out?
                      Pm for rakeback deals

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                        #71
                        Wow, what a cooler of an evening session.



                        To be fair, I can't really complain, been running pretty well the last few days . Not above the EV line mind you, just not getting sucked out on or coolered so much.

                        Well, that all changed in the evening session

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                          #72
                          Why I love suited one gappers

                          No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                          MP ($100)
                          Hero (CO) ($354.75)
                          Button ($35)
                          SB ($449.95)
                          BB ($147.90)
                          UTG ($99)

                          Preflop: Hero is CO with 4, 6
                          2 folds, Hero bets $3.50, Button raises $7, 1 fold, BB calls $6, Hero calls $3.50

                          Flop: ($21.50) 5, 3, 7 (3 players)
                          BB bets $7, Hero calls $7, Button raises $28 (All-In), BB calls $21, Hero raises $67, BB raises $112.90 (All-In), Hero calls $66.90

                          Turn: ($331.30) 6 (3 players, 2 all-in)

                          River: ($331.30) A (3 players, 2 all-in)

                          Total pot: $331.30

                          Results:
                          Button had Q, Q (one pair, Queens).
                          BB had 7, 7 (three of a kind, sevens).
                          Hero had 4, 6 (straight, seven high).
                          Outcome: Hero won $328.30

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                            #73
                            Line/Nit check..

                            Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                            MP ($2.43)
                            CO ($2.57)
                            Button ($6.52)
                            Hero (SB) ($10.72)
                            BB ($4.97)
                            UTG ($4.86)

                            Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 8
                            3 folds, Button bets $0.17, Hero calls $0.15, 1 fold

                            Flop: ($0.39) 3, 2, K (2 players)
                            Hero checks, Button bets $0.35, Hero raises to $1.21, Button calls $0.86

                            Turn: ($2.81) 6 (2 players)
                            Hero bets $1, Button raises to $3, Hero folds

                            Total pot: $4.81 | Rake: $0.32

                            Results below:
                            Button didn't show
                            Outcome: Button won $4.49



                            Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                            BB ($3.72)
                            UTG ($13.30)
                            Hero (MP) ($10.70)
                            CO ($3.18)
                            Button ($5.09)
                            SB ($6.93)

                            Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 10
                            1 fold, Hero bets $0.17, 1 fold, Button calls $0.17, SB calls $0.15, 1 fold

                            Flop: ($0.56) 10, A, 6 (3 players)
                            SB checks, Hero bets $0.40, 1 fold, SB raises to $1.76, Hero folds

                            Total pot: $1.36 | Rake: $0.09

                            Results below:
                            SB didn't show
                            Outcome: SB won $1.27



                            First one standard? Second hand, I'm trying to stop bleeding money when I'm raised. I find myself thinking "they're bluffing" far more than I'm thinking I'm beat. I've been trying to restrict my calling of raises to when I have fairly nutty hands.

                            What do you think?

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                              #74
                              Hand 1: I probably mix it up between 3betting and calling. I prefer 3betting though. Flop is fine. Bet more on the the turn like 1.75.

                              Hand 2: Im definetly peeling and seeing a turn. worst possible scenerio you have 4 outs and he could easily be semibluffing.

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                                #75
                                Ok, so hand 2 seems crazy nitty when I stove it.

                                Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

                                11,880 games 0.005 secs 2,376,000 games/sec

                                Board: Ad Td 6d
                                Dead:

                                equity win tie pots won pots tied
                                Hand 0: 37.416% 36.66% 00.76% 4355 90.00 { AcTc }
                                Hand 1: 62.584% 61.83% 00.76% 7345 90.00 { TT, 66, KdQd, KdJd, KdQc, KdQh, KdQs, KdJc, KdJh, KdJs }

                                should I be calling here, and firing every non diamond / non 6 turn?

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                                  #76
                                  aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh


                                  I FCKING HATE POKER. It's fcking bullshit. Ya, I'm running bad. But since I started playing cash (last 6 months really) I've had 3 periods where I ran -20 BIs below EV. Last 3 days being the third time.
                                  The most I've ever run above the EV line is 4/5 BIs. Its not right I tell ya, not fcking right.

                                  /vent

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                                    #77
                                    for shits and giggles

                                    Below are the hands where the money went all in before all the cards were down. Just gives a bit of an insight into how it goes for me.



                                    Obviously this doesn't tell the full story either.

                                    Honestly, I'm actually gutted. 3 days ago I had $3k in my FT account from an initial deposit of $600. Now I'm back down to $850 as the last two days of running -10BIs below EV each time was following on from a horrendous cooler session on Sunday where I dropped a load of BIs as well.

                                    In that 22BI downswing I would say I only played badly in one or two hands due to tilt. Only one big one.

                                    I need some god damn upswings ffs.

                                    EDIT: I'm taking a week off.
                                    Last edited by jimbling; 09-03-10, 19:40.

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                                      #78
                                      Emmet

                                      Hand 1 - Fold pre flop unless you've a reason to believe 3-betting is good but you'd need a specific reason, 99/100 just fold, calling in the SB there isn't going to show a profit. I don't really like the flop check raise, we don't wanna get all the money in and it'd suck if we get moved in on plus we don't rep a whole lot but I guess that isn't that important at 5nl, but I don't think he bet/folds enough. Turn comes pretty crap to barrel, very unlikely he's folding here, if I was to fire again I'd bet more than 1/3 pot because even a bad player will realise that's weakness but I'd probably check. As played the fold is fine, but the previous streets are the the big decision points.

                                      Hand 2 - Read dependent, you must have some idea of their play or is this rush? If this is rush I'm definitely not folding, either getting it in on the flop or calling with the idea of getting it in on a brick turn but I'm definitely not folding.
                                      "In the world, there are many kings but there is only one God. I am God, I am El Tren" :{)

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                                        #79
                                        This felt good! I'm CO. Villain is 12/10 or something equally nitty and ridiculous.

                                        Party, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
                                        LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

                                        UTG: $98.50
                                        MP: $113.45
                                        CO: $92.22
                                        BTN: $101.15
                                        SB: $136.80
                                        BB: $82.75

                                        Pre-Flop:
                                        2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

                                        Flop: ($8.50) 5 4 8 (2 Players)
                                        CO checks, BTN bets $8.50, CO calls $8.50

                                        Turn: ($25.50) 3 (2 Players)
                                        CO checks, BTN bets $14.50, CO calls $14.50

                                        River: ($54.50) 7 (2 Players)
                                        CO checks, BTN bets $66, CO calls $65.72 and is All-In

                                        Results: $185.94 Pot ($2.72 Rake)
                                        CO showed A 4 and WON $182.94 (+$90.72 NET)
                                        BTN showed A Q and WON $0.28 (-$91.94 NET)

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                                          #80
                                          Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                          Hero (BB) ($17.59)
                                          UTG ($8.59)
                                          UTG+1 ($17.21)
                                          MP1 ($4.49)
                                          MP2 ($10.21)
                                          MP3 ($12.67)
                                          CO ($3.99)
                                          Button ($7.14)
                                          SB ($10)

                                          Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 8
                                          7 folds, SB bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.30

                                          Flop: ($0.80) 3, 9, 8 (2 players)
                                          SB bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

                                          Turn: ($1.80) 4 (2 players)
                                          SB bets $1, Hero calls $1

                                          River: ($3.80) J (2 players)
                                          SB bets $8.10 (All-In), Hero ????

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                                            #81
                                            Raise that flop and dont fold.

                                            Now, em, i guess i fold with out reads, but he is kinda repping a flush or nothing

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                                              #82
                                              I think I'm turning into a wuss.

                                              Should I be raising flop to get it in? If I raise flop to ~$1.40 and he calls and flush hits on the turn, whats my play?

                                              I dwelled for an age and called, thinking that blind vs blind this doesn't have to be the flush all the time.

                                              (it was)

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                                                #83
                                                Usually when people make huge overbets they have the nuts

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                                                  #84
                                                  Has some video come out that promotes donking into the preflop raiser? I noticed it yesterday, but today its happening even more! Both Tags and fish. One Tag was doing it very well yesterday. The fish are doing it really stupidly. I've played about 5k hands in the last 24 hours, and I'm fairly sure I'm not imagining it.

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                                                    #85
                                                    Ive been doing it from the BB alot more in the past 2 weeks and I find it insanely profitable (seems like it is - haven't looked at stats yet). It ususlly only requires the 2-3 barells. I've stopped doing it with value hands as they are folding too much.

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                                                      #86
                                                      Originally posted by Hectorjelly View Post
                                                      Has some video come out that promotes donking into the preflop raiser? I noticed it yesterday, but today its happening even more! Both Tags and fish. One Tag was doing it very well yesterday. The fish are doing it really stupidly. I've played about 5k hands in the last 24 hours, and I'm fairly sure I'm not imagining it.
                                                      No but I was watching one about overbets today. It seems to be way more popular than it used to be when I last played! I still haven't looked one up as I always have like 2nd pair or some crap when they do it and I still share your opinion that at low stakes its the nuts.

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                                                        #87
                                                        I genuinely thought this was a decent bluff and he'd fold almost all of his range here. Little did I know how wide his range was...

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                                                        MP ($61.40)
                                                        Hero (CO) ($50)
                                                        Button ($71.90)
                                                        SB ($59.20)
                                                        BB ($70.90)
                                                        UTG ($50.25)

                                                        Preflop: Hero is CO with A, 7
                                                        1 fold, MP bets $2, Hero calls $2, Button calls $2, 2 folds

                                                        Flop: ($6.75) K, Q, 10 (3 players)
                                                        MP checks, Hero checks, Button checks

                                                        Turn: ($6.75) 4 (3 players)
                                                        MP bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, 1 fold

                                                        River: ($15.75) 6 (2 players)
                                                        MP checks, Hero bets $11, MP calls $11

                                                        Total pot: $37.75 | Rake: $1.85

                                                        Results:
                                                        MP had 4, 6 (two pair, sixes and fours).
                                                        Hero had A, 7 (high card, Ace).
                                                        Outcome: MP won $35.90
                                                        "I can’t find anyone who agrees with what I write or think these days, so I guess I must be getting closer to the truth." - Hunter S. Thompson

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                                                          #88
                                                          You're not repping too many made hands when you check the flop and flat the turn. I don't think you bet the river for value with much of your range that takes that line and have way more bluffs. He should be calling you with any pair really.

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                                                            #89
                                                            Originally posted by zuutroy View Post
                                                            You're not repping too many made hands when you check the flop and flat the turn. I don't think you bet the river for value with much of your range that takes that line and have way more bluffs. He should be calling you with any pair really.
                                                            yeah this
                                                            http://drjff.blogspot.com/

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                                                              #90
                                                              Nice call on the end by him!! I though it was gonna be a cooler for him but turned out he was just a muppet.

                                                              Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                              MP ($60.32)
                                                              CO ($52.06)
                                                              Button ($11.43)
                                                              SB ($25.42)
                                                              BB ($69.27)
                                                              Hero (UTG) ($73.90)

                                                              Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, 9
                                                              Hero bets $1, MP calls $1, CO calls $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

                                                              Flop: ($5.10) 3, 9, 4 (5 players)
                                                              BB checks, Hero bets $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $3.50

                                                              Turn: ($15.60) A (3 players)
                                                              BB checks, Hero bets $9, MP calls $9, 1 fold

                                                              River: ($33.60) 9 (2 players)
                                                              Hero bets $60.40 (All-In), MP calls $46.82 (All-In)

                                                              Total pot: $127.24 | Rake: $3

                                                              Results:
                                                              Hero had A, 9 (full house, nines over Aces).
                                                              MP had 8, A (two pair, Aces and nines).
                                                              Outcome: Hero won $124.24

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                                                                #91
                                                                Fold pre imo
                                                                Played it well after the fact

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                                                                  #92
                                                                  Blind Limper, as emmet said fold pre but also, bet more on the turn, there are 2 flush draws out there and so your river shove wont be an overbet

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                                                                    #93
                                                                    I knew i was gonna get slated for posting that! I think A9o is ok to open utg when you are playing against monkeys like the guy who stacked off to me. The table was lol bad. I would normally fold it and open A9s most of the time. Bet sizing on the flop and turn are poor enough looking back. I honestly didnt think i would have be able to get the money in over 3 streets cause we were so deep when i bet the flop. I should have thought about it a bit more.

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                                                                      #94
                                                                      No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                      Hero (MP) ($187)
                                                                      CO ($159.05)
                                                                      Button ($215.75)
                                                                      SB ($99)
                                                                      BB ($129.25)
                                                                      UTG ($96.20)

                                                                      Preflop: Hero is MP with K, K
                                                                      UTG bets $4, Hero raises $12, 4 folds, UTG calls $8

                                                                      Flop: ($25.50) Q, 9, 3 (2 players)
                                                                      UTG checks, Hero bets $15, UTG calls $15

                                                                      Turn: ($55.50) 7 (2 players)
                                                                      UTG checks, Hero bets $160 (All-In), UTG calls $69.20 (All-In)

                                                                      River: ($193.90) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

                                                                      Total pot: $193.90

                                                                      Results:
                                                                      UTG had A, 4 (one pair, fours).
                                                                      Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
                                                                      Outcome: Hero won $281.70
                                                                      Last edited by RoadSweeper; 12-03-10, 12:01.

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                                                                        #95
                                                                        ^ No Results? Im gonna guess at KJo

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                                                                          #96
                                                                          RS fails at hand histories...He had A4s iirc from IM.

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                                                                            #97
                                                                            edited, yea he was a reg and all

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                                                                              #98
                                                                              Thought it might have been a miss click then i was like wait a minute he couldn't have miss clicked three times. The way i am running at the minute the A would have hit on the river and i would have got another urge to kill a penguin.

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                                                                                #99
                                                                                Check Call / Bet Fold?

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                                                                                NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Poker Stars
                                                                                Hero ($55.55)
                                                                                BB ($50)
                                                                                UTG ($56.60)
                                                                                CO ($56.80)
                                                                                BTN ($44.95)

                                                                                Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:spade:

                                                                                fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

                                                                                FLOP ($3) 3:club: 6:club: 9:spade:

                                                                                Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

                                                                                TURN ($7) 3:club: 6:club: 9:spade: Q:club:

                                                                                Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

                                                                                RIVER ($15) 3:club: 6:club: 9:spade: Q:club: 4:diamond:

                                                                                Hero

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                                                                                  Bet more on turn. I like a b/f on river w/out reads

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                                                                                    Its not my HH just discussing it with someone and I knew I'd get better opinions in here, I prefer 2.25 on flop, 6 on turn.

                                                                                    Why is B/F > C/C here?

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                                                                                      I just think he has a weak enough range alot, but with a bit of showdown value such that he wont turn into a bluff. I doubt he'll bet 9x here.

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                                                                                        I think I'm way off so, I'm struggling to put him on a range that has value for us.

                                                                                        Do you think he'll call with 9x on a FD board with an overcard? We "only" have an overpair on a pretty drawy board.

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                                                                                          Maybe i'm way off cause im bolloxed tired, I generally dont think he has us beat very often, but i wouldnt expect him to call too much either with weaker hands. (obv reads would be a big help)

                                                                                          If he was prone to bluff, c/c could be best, but otherwise i think i prefer a b/f

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                                                                                            emmet, reads plz?

                                                                                            If super aggro, c/c but against 90% of the players bet $13.50. Also bet bigger in every street, aim to have the last bet AI for < PSB. $2, $3.65, $10.25, $30. Best advice you'll ever get

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                                                                                              Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

                                                                                              SB ($50)
                                                                                              BB ($49)
                                                                                              UTG ($52.40)
                                                                                              MP ($50.50)
                                                                                              Hero (Button) ($101.05)

                                                                                              Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, K
                                                                                              1 fold, MP bets $2, Hero calls $2, 2 folds

                                                                                              Flop: ($4.75) 9, 8, 3 (2 players)
                                                                                              MP bets $2.75, Hero calls $2.75

                                                                                              Turn: ($10.25) 10 (2 players)
                                                                                              MP bets $7, Hero calls $7

                                                                                              River: ($24.25) J (2 players)
                                                                                              MP bets $38.75 (All-In), Hero folds

                                                                                              Total pot: $24.25 | Rake: $1.20

                                                                                              Results:
                                                                                              MP didn't show
                                                                                              Outcome: MP won $23.05


                                                                                              Standard against an unknown?

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                                                                                                Villian is playing 28/28 with a fold to 3bet of 67 over 88 hands. Probably is a good reg. Have a note on him that he has seen me 4bet call 88 100bbs deep. I cant really remember the hand but i think it was bu agaisnt co .


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                                                                                                SB ($50)
                                                                                                BB ($70.70)
                                                                                                UTG ($172.65)
                                                                                                MP ($17.50)
                                                                                                CO ($50)
                                                                                                Hero (Button) ($51.40)

                                                                                                Preflop: Hero is Button with K, 9
                                                                                                2 folds, CO bets $1.75, Hero raises to $5.25, 2 folds, CO calls $3.50

                                                                                                Flop: ($11.25) 4, 2, 4 (2 players)
                                                                                                CO checks, Hero checks

                                                                                                Turn: ($11.25) 7 (2 players)
                                                                                                CO checks, Hero checks

                                                                                                River: ($11.25) 9 (2 players)
                                                                                                CO checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO raises to $10.25, Hero calls $7.75

                                                                                                Total pot: $31.75 | Rake: $1.55

                                                                                                Is this river call ok? I bet small to induce a spazzy bluff so i have to call right.
                                                                                                Last edited by shano_88; 15-03-10, 14:18. Reason: spelling

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                                                                                                  Both fine but in the second one I might just bet the flop and learn what level he's on.

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                                                                                                    Originally posted by emmet02 View Post
                                                                                                    Check Call / Bet Fold?

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                                                                                                    NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Poker Stars
                                                                                                    Hero ($55.55)
                                                                                                    BB ($50)
                                                                                                    UTG ($56.60)
                                                                                                    CO ($56.80)
                                                                                                    BTN ($44.95)

                                                                                                    Dealt to Hero K:diamond: K:spade:

                                                                                                    fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BB calls $1

                                                                                                    FLOP ($3) 3:club: 6:club: 9:spade:

                                                                                                    Hero bets $2, BB calls $2

                                                                                                    TURN ($7) 3:club: 6:club: 9:spade: Q:club:

                                                                                                    Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

                                                                                                    RIVER ($15) 3:club: 6:club: 9:spade: Q:club: 4:diamond:

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                                                                                                    Originally posted by pok3rplaya View Post
                                                                                                    emmet, reads plz?

                                                                                                    If super aggro, c/c but against 90% of the players bet $13.50. Also bet bigger in every street, aim to have the last bet AI for < PSB. $2, $3.65, $10.25, $30. Best advice you'll ever get
                                                                                                    As said, not my hand history, just an interesting hand I saw on 2+2. Lot of mixed thoughts over there on what the correct play is.

                                                                                                    "Only had 10 hands on villain.....37/15/25, W$SD 0."

                                                                                                    What range do you put villain on after his turn call?

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                                                                                                      no real reads on villian. Hes playing 28/20 and hasnt 3bet over 37 hands.

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                                                                                                      Button ($50)
                                                                                                      SB ($53.50)
                                                                                                      BB ($72.90)
                                                                                                      Hero (UTG) ($101.55)
                                                                                                      MP ($70.25)

                                                                                                      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10, 10
                                                                                                      1 fold, Hero bets $1.50, 2 folds, SB calls $1

                                                                                                      Flop: ($3.25) 2, 2, 5 (2 players)
                                                                                                      SB checks, Hero bets $2, SB raises to $9.25, Hero calls $7.25

                                                                                                      Turn: ($21.75) 7 (2 players)
                                                                                                      SB bets $15, ?

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                                                                                                        Fairly easy ship now. Tempted to get it in on flop as there's a lot of bad turns for you

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                                                                                                          A friendly reg told me I need to merge my c/r line, apparently 1% is a bit low. Any advice?

                                                                                                          Also recent theorems Ive read that have been helpful include Zeebo's Theorem and the Clarkmeister Theorem. Any other fundamentals Ive been missing?

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                                                                                                            c/r range should be 10% - 15% roughly speaking

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                                                                                                              So, c/r instead of cbetting nearly everytime someone calls pf in position?

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                                                                                                                Originally posted by bohsman View Post
                                                                                                                So, c/r instead of cbetting nearly everytime someone calls pf in position?
                                                                                                                No. 10-15% of the time.
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                                                                                                                  Not exactly but c/r oop will happen alot more than ip. This is something i need to work on too so im not pretending to be some kind of guru or anything. Take a couple of examples.

                                                                                                                  BTN opens and we call in the BB with KsJs

                                                                                                                  Flop comes Ts9h2d. This is a decent spot to c/r as we have a gutshot and a back door FD. We will be able to barrell a lot or turns and ship loads or rivers.

                                                                                                                  When c/r for value which you dont seem to be doing too much either take this example.

                                                                                                                  UTG opens, MP calls and we call in the SB with 6s6c.

                                                                                                                  Flop comes 4h5d6h. This is a good spot to c/r as we can have straight draws / FD's and sets. UTG will get it in with a FD or an overpair and we will be in good shape all the time.

                                                                                                                  When merging your range in both examples, in the first for value hands we can have JJ-99,22,AT,T9, and many top pair hand read dependant on villian. Generally better to call with top pair hands though. For bluffs we can have JxQx, 7x8x, J8s, KJs, AJs, AQs and some other, the last ones dont even have to be suited. Depending on the villians capabilities he is gonna fold a better hand a lot either on the flop or on the turn.

                                                                                                                  In the second hand for value we can have 44-66,7x8x, Ah7h,Ah5h, Ah3h etc. The last three might not look like typical value hands but big draws like that are ahead or villians range.
                                                                                                                  For Bluffs we can have the Ah and any other heart not mentioned above which makes up a few combos. Other heart combinations like KhQh etc. Some 7's.

                                                                                                                  Be interesting to see if people agree or disagree with what i posted.
                                                                                                                  Last edited by BlindLimper; 20-03-10, 09:32.

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                                                                                                                    1% is obv super super super super super super super super low.

                                                                                                                    How often do you call oop?

                                                                                                                    Theres not a hell of a lot of need to cr if you are the pfr.
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                                                                                                                      How do you even get it down to 1%!? I can't even fathom that!

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                                                                                                                        Originally posted by BlindLimper View Post
                                                                                                                        Not exactly but c/r oop will happen alot more than ip. This is something i need to work on too so im not pretending to be some kind of guru or anything. Take a couple of examples.

                                                                                                                        BTN opens and we call in the BB with KsJs

                                                                                                                        Flop comes Ts9h2d. This is a decent spot to c/r as we have a gutshot and a back door FD. We will be able to barrell a lot or turns and ship loads or rivers.

                                                                                                                        When c/r for value which you dont seem to be doing too much either take this example.

                                                                                                                        UTG opens, MP calls and we call in the SB with 6s6c.

                                                                                                                        Flop comes 4h5d6h. This is a good spot to c/r as we can have straight draws / FD's and sets. UTG will get it in with a FD or an overpair and we will be in good shape all the time.

                                                                                                                        When merging your range in both examples, in the first for value hands we can have JJ-99,22,AT,T9, and many top pair hand read dependant on villian. Generally better to call with top pair hands though. For bluffs we can have JxQx, 7x8x, J8s, KJs, AJs, AQs and some other, the last ones dont even have to be suited. Depending on the villians capabilities he is gonna fold a better hand a lot either on the flop or on the turn.

                                                                                                                        In the second hand for value we can have 44-66,7x8x, Ah7h,Ah5h, Ah3h etc. The last three might not look like typical value hands but big draws like that are ahead or villians range.
                                                                                                                        For Bluffs we can have the Ah and any other heart not mentioned above which makes up a few combos. Other heart combinations like KhQh etc. Some 7's.

                                                                                                                        Be interesting to see if people agree or disagree with what i posted.
                                                                                                                        I much prefer cbetting hand one. Far more profitable than a checkraise.

                                                                                                                        Hand 2, I don't mind check raising. Would be read dependent, but if I'm check folding that flop when I miss then I guess i'll c/r sometimes too.
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                                                                                                                          Originally posted by TommyGunne View Post

                                                                                                                          Theres not a hell of a lot of need to cr if you are the pfr.
                                                                                                                          And this too. 1 is low, but i wouldn't be going mental and just check raising because i think i need to balance better. If im showing a good profit by cbetting 100% of flops then i'll continue doing it. People seem to have this retarded obsession with what is essentially a 2+2 HSNL buzz word. Most people aren't balanced and thje lower stakes you play, the less you need to give a shit about it. In fact, I'd say it'll often be more profitable to play completely unbalanced against most opponents you find at micro and small stakes, perhaps even up to the lower mid stake games.
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