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    1/2 live 5 omaha

    Hand 1.

    I am playing roughly €320 my hand is AKJ7 on a board of AKJ and i pot for €30 then villian makes €140 (he covers me ) .

    Get it in or fold ????

    Hand 2

    My hand is Kd 5d 5s 2s and the board is 3d 4d 7s . Utg opens for €75 , i have €255 with 1 player behind (€140)

    Get it in , flat or fold ???

    #2
    fold

    Dont play that hand pre. Probably folding, close

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      #3
      H1: Fold. also, he can't make it 140 if its plo,

      H2: Much closer, I might call depending on the player, fold is good, call if average live player
      fold pre btw,

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        #4
        Fold,I'd have checked the flop and seen what developed behind.
        Fold, none of your draws are to the nuts.With the pot being €75 you've obviously called a raise oop with a junk hand which is going to be a major leak.What are you hoping to flop?
        Last edited by Sirtoyou; 14-10-10, 08:22.

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          #5
          Hand 1 : Fold. You're killing your own outs by having 3 pair. Also makes it less likely the villain is doing it with a set so it's usually always Q10. Would probably fold pre but don't know the action/position.

          Hand 2 : I fold aswel but i'd also be folding pre with this junk. You're not drawing to the nuts and up against an UTG that's probably not folding and might have you crushed

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            #6
            Hand 1 standard fold as your killing some of your outs

            Hand 2 how did utg open for €75 did you call a raise with that junk pre? In fairness if you called with that junk your not going to see much better flops than that for your hand however I fold as sirttoyou says we are not drawing to the nuts
            Last edited by Jackyback; 14-10-10, 08:38.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
              Hand 1 : Fold. You're killing your own outs by having 3 pair.
              Originally posted by Jackyback View Post
              Hand 1 standard fold as your killing some of your outs
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                #8
                considering that your don't know what to do in hand 1, i'd snap shove hand 2 if i was you

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                  Hand 1 : Fold. You're killing your own outs by having 3 pair.
                  Originally posted by Jackyback View Post
                  Hand 1 standard fold as your killing some of your outs
                  These outs make no difference to our chance of making a boat anyway!! If anything its better because there are only 3 combos of him having a set now, so his most likely hand is the nuts.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by digiman View Post
                    These outs make no difference to our chance of making a boat anyway!! If anything its better because there are only 3 combos of him having a set now, so his most likely hand is the nuts.
                    Lol, 3 pair actually gives more boat outs, 6 on flop instead of 4.

                    Think what flushdraw was saying was the fact wehave the 3rd pair, we should now more heavily weight villian towards a straight as less likey to have JJxx type hands, but were still just as bad (actually worse) a dogg against JJxx anyhows.
                    Last edited by BlkScholes55; 14-10-10, 10:55.

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                      #11
                      H1 is a very easy fold.
                      I'm leaning towards a call in H2 but these hands always get me into trouble.
                      Suffice to say, I wouldnt have found meself in such a big pot with this holding.
                      People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                        #12
                        Fold both hands now. I'd fold the second one pre-flop but call with the AKJ7 one. What the lads mean by killing our outs is that by having 3 pair instead of a set we have 6 outs instead of 7 so a 4% downswing in our chances of winning. Not huge, but defintely significant.

                        Hand 1: I don't mind the lead out too much if it's a weak game as you'll only get called/raised by the nuts or a set so you've a fair chance of just taking down the pot. Easy fold to a re-raise as you need 3/1 minimum to validate a call (and opponent will hardly pay u off if you hit the house). If he has Q10 there's also a very high chance he has at least one of our out cards.

                        Hand 2: Just drop it pre-flop unless you're extremely comfortable in reading the other players' hands and will be able to semi-bluff them off hands later. You're not playing this hand to hit the flop hard. (Although if it was me vs you, no doubt I'd flop quads or nut flush!! )

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                          #13
                          Fold both. Fold hand 2 pre. Flatting almost 1/3 of our stack, while we are also turning our hand more or less face up is pretty terrible imo in hand 2. We dont have any FE it seems too.
                          Last edited by Tremolo1; 14-10-10, 15:06.

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                            #14
                            lol

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by digiman View Post
                              These outs make no difference to our chance of making a boat anyway!! If anything its better because there are only 3 combos of him having a set now, so his most likely hand is the nuts.
                              Originally posted by BlkScholes55 View Post
                              Lol, 3 pair actually gives more boat outs, 6 on flop instead of 4.

                              Think what flushdraw was saying was the fact wehave the 3rd pair, we should now more heavily weight villian towards a straight as less likey to have JJxx type hands, but were still just as bad (actually worse) a dogg against JJxx anyhows.
                              Lol early typing FTL, what i should have said is hand 1 narrows villians range somewhat!! I am banning myself from all future comments on HH's

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Jackyback View Post
                                Lol early typing FTL, what i should have said is hand 1 narrows villians range somewhat!! I am banning myself from all future comments on HH's
                                Idiot

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                                  #17
                                  Pre is your big mistake in both hands imo, esp hand 2.

                                  Hand 1 is a super easy fold and 2 is a fold too. Pre is god awful in both cases though imo.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Moneymaker View Post
                                    Pre is your big mistake in both hands imo, esp hand 2.

                                    Hand 1 is a super easy fold and 2 is a fold too. Pre is god awful in both cases though imo.
                                    Although we don't know the exact preflop action in hand 1 (position etc.), pre is good. In fact, folding this pre is sooooo nitty.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TrEMOlo1 View Post
                                      Although we don't know the exact preflop action in hand 1 (position etc.), pre is good. In fact, folding this pre is sooooo nitty.
                                      Well I am a nit.

                                      But is it really bad to fold AKJ7 with no suits?

                                      (PLO noob btw)

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                                        #20
                                        AKJ7r is not the best hand by any means, if its suited up though it's pretty handy

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                                          #21
                                          Ye folding without suits is fine especially being new to the game.

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                                            #22
                                            stop being a nit damo and get it in, but also make sure and top him up first
                                            still makes me laugh that story, also good to see your alive mate

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                                              #23
                                              Sry i should have said that in hand 1 my cards were double suited and in hand 2 i tried a squeeze from the straddle Pf and thats how utg was able to make it so much.
                                              Hand 1, i folded as i thought best case for me was villain has bottom set but with no history with him i give him credit for the QT.

                                              Hand 2 , i snap shoved to give them food for thought but alas the shorty got it in with the nut flush draw and no other outs and binked the river . What i thought was interesting though was that utg folded top set

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Downtown View Post
                                                lol
                                                Tnx Rory

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                                                  #25
                                                  Both look like folds, hand 2 much much closer to a shove, hand 1 is ridiculously easy fold.
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by DAMO72 View Post
                                                    What i thought was interesting though was that utg folded top set
                                                    I personally dont mind folding top set here
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by DAMO72 View Post
                                                      Sry i should have said that in hand 1 my cards were double suited and in hand 2 i tried a squeeze from the straddle Pf and thats how utg was able to make it so much.
                                                      Hand 1, i folded as i thought best case for me was villain has bottom set but with no history with him i give him credit for the QT.

                                                      Hand 2 , i snap shoved to give them food for thought but alas the shorty got it in with the nut flush draw and no other outs and binked the river . What i thought was interesting though was that utg folded top set
                                                      Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                      I personally dont mind folding top set here
                                                      Folding top set in a 3b pot with these stack sizes is pretty terrible imo

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Flushdraw View Post
                                                        Idiot
                                                        Fuck you and your wonky leg you made the same mistake and before me

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                          I personally dont mind folding top set here

                                                          most of the time you will be against the made straight and the nut flush draw here, so why would you fold top set??

                                                          I was in this game and as it turned out nobody had the made straight!!!
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by TrEMOlo1 View Post
                                                            Folding top set in a 3b pot with these stack sizes is pretty terrible imo
                                                            You could well be right.
                                                            I'll dig out my calculator later.
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by BallymoreChris View Post
                                                              most of the time you will be against the made straight and the nut flush draw here, so why would you fold top set??
                                                              People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                                You could well be right.
                                                                I'll dig out my calculator later.
                                                                Why would you bury your calculator?
                                                                sorry couldn't help it...

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by DeadParrot View Post
                                                                  You could well be right.
                                                                  I'll dig out my calculator later.
                                                                  my maths suck
                                                                  gonna rebury that calculator now
                                                                  People say I should be more humble I hope they understand, they don't listen when you mumble
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Dont lead hand 1, fold now...
                                                                    I dont hand 2 is as easy a fold as some are saying, I dont think shoving is that bad, but it is very player dependant

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                                                                      #35
                                                                      fold everyhand to a raise, therefore you are only losing your blinds everyround!!

                                                                      LEAVE THE PLAYING TIGHT BIT TO THE NITS!!

                                                                      H1 OBV FOLD ON FLOP
                                                                      H2 PROB PLAY IT THE SAME WAY U DID, AS IT WAS A (POKER MOVE)


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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Damo, how can you play this game when you run so bad! NUMPTY!!
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