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    Very frisky table full of nice gamblers, haven't played with villain before this - literally <10 hands so no reads

    PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $4.00 BB (4 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

    UTG ($324.08)
    Button ($155.49)
    Hero (SB) ($211.76)
    BB ($193.03)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 8, 7, J, Q
    1 fold, Button bets $8.40, Hero calls $6.40, BB calls $4.40

    Flop: ($25.20) 3, 7, 8 (3 players)
    Hero bets $18, 1 fold, Button calls $18

    Turn: ($61.20) J (2 players)
    Hero.....?


    Let's hear some idea's plz

    This is my turn action
    SPOILER
    check, villain bets $32 - your move?
    Go big or go homeless.

    #2
    Either check call or check fold.
    Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.

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      #3
      Originally posted by ianmc38 View Post
      Either check call or check fold.
      What kind of range do you think you're against and what would you do vs a river bet?

      It's a similar situation that I'm finding I get into vs unknowns quite often and just want to see others thoughts, hand which has been bugging me for hours
      Go big or go homeless.

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        #4
        Check call for me. Still have 6 outs to a house if your beat and you may still be ahead
        airport, lol

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          #5
          Originally posted by eamonhonda View Post
          Check call for me. Still have 6 outs to a house if your beat and you may still be ahead
          so what if the river is a black king
          are you check calling because you're good? or because you're attached to the hand? or just check folding?
          Last edited by mdoug; 31-01-13, 07:17.
          Go big or go homeless.

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            #6
            Originally posted by mdoug View Post
            so what if the river is a black king
            are you check calling because you're good? or because you're attached to the hand? or just check folding?
            I'm in over my head ha. Depending on bet sizing I probably station it off. Then nod my head when I'm beat.
            airport, lol

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              #7
              Originally posted by eamonhonda View Post
              I'm in over my head ha. Depending on bet sizing I probably station it off. Then nod my head when I'm beat.
              heh sorry for the pressure but actually trying these days and I just want people's reasoning - I know for a fact I make a different play 6 months ago than I did today, just wondering if I've improved or created more holes . I'll let ya be now
              I like the headnod tho, will incorporate that for sure as I'm always beat
              Go big or go homeless.

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                #8
                If you take a passive line where you induce bluffs then you need to call sometimes. If I call turn i'll reassess river if i don't boat up. He could have 569x or JTxx or any other stuff that he is floating with. Check folding without a read is too weak tight and bet calling is obviously complete spew.
                Looking for full or part time poker and betting writers. PM if interested.

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                  #9
                  depends on villain but i like b/f the turn about $40 , people peel flops to fold turn with a very high freq in general in plo and you protect your range by betting. If he raises the turn he always has a straight unless he is bluff raising with blockers and if he is wp him.

                  He can call turn with worse 2 pairs and it will go x/x on a lot of rivers and you can x/c some blank rivers as most players at these stakes aren't savvy enough to flat the turn with the nut straight even tho imo its a good play.

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                    #10
                    Am I the only one just folding this pre flop then?
                    Not to mention just checking the flop as played?
                    I hate the pot bet here on the flop out of position.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Mormank View Post
                      Am I the only one just folding this pre flop then?
                      Not to mention just checking the flop as played?
                      I hate the pot bet here on the flop out of position.
                      Folding pre is ok but a bit weak against a button open but it's a 3b or fold pre flatting is bad as we want to get HU vs the btn.

                      Checking this flop as PFR is bad , we are the aggressor and will be betting most flops when we miss so we have to bet top two pair. Also any 4 cards will pick up alot of equity on most turn cards so we need to bet to protect our equity.

                      Also this is a board that misses our 3b range a large portion of the time so a competent villain will raise this board sometimes as a bluff at which point we should re pot get it in.

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                        #12
                        I'd either bet fold or CRAI, think id lean towards CRAI.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by smoothcall View Post
                          I'd either bet fold or CRAI, think id lean towards CRAI.
                          if turn was jack spades or diamonds -i think im more likely to CRAI here -just gives opponent something to bet call with

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by reilly110 View Post
                            if turn was jack spades or diamonds -i think im more likely to CRAI here -just gives opponent something to bet call with
                            Well yea but villain doesnt have to pick up equity to bet the turn it's a 3b pot so he can peel/float this flop texture fairly wide and then bet this scare card so by CRAI we get value from his bluffs/floats , also we have top 3 pair ie all the blockers so it's tough for him to have much so flushdraw might have a good line.

                            It would be villain dependent for me and hud dependent which line i'd take in the moment. But i have to say that c/c turn is horrible and the worst turn line, we let him realise his equity w/o gaining any info on his hand range.

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                              #15
                              3 bet pot?

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by UlDuffer View Post
                                Folding pre is ok but a bit weak against a button open but it's a 3b or fold pre flatting is bad as we want to get HU vs the btn.

                                Checking this flop as PFR is bad , we are the aggressor and will be betting most flops when we miss so we have to bet top two pair. Also any 4 cards will pick up alot of equity on most turn cards so we need to bet to protect our equity.

                                Also this is a board that misses our 3b range a large portion of the time so a competent villain will raise this board sometimes as a bluff at which point we should re pot get it in.
                                We are not the PFR in this hand? I said checking it as played, not if we have 3bet. Obviously if we have 3 bet pre we are not checking this flop. As played I am checking here looking for the CRAI, but then again this also depends on the rate at which the button has been c-betting I guess. Also it has to be said that I am probably gonna try CRAI here with most one pair + str8 draw type hands just to add some balance.
                                From the small blind here I don't think I am ever just calling. Re raising or folding all day long here. Unless I have some info on the button raiser I am just gonna fold here and wait for a better spot/hand.

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by UlDuffer View Post
                                  Folding pre is ok but a bit weak against a button open but it's a 3b or fold pre flatting is bad as we want to get HU vs the btn.

                                  Checking this flop as PFR is bad , we are the aggressor and will be betting most flops when we miss so we have to bet top two pair. Also any 4 cards will pick up alot of equity on most turn cards so we need to bet to protect our equity.

                                  Also this is a board that misses our 3b range a large portion of the time so a competent villain will raise this board sometimes as a bluff at which point we should re pot get it in.
                                  Please don't tell me why a check is bad on this flop when we have played the hand completely differently to what the OP stated he did pre flop. I was commenting on how I play this flop as played. Not if we had re raised pre which is a completely different context.

                                  Edit: On second thoughts, having read more of your posts on the subject it is clear to me that one of 3 things happened here. a) you are on some sort of 'hilarious' wind up. b) you don't realise that nobody actualy 3 bet pre c) I don't realise that it was in fact a 3 bet pot pre in which case disregard everyone of my posts in this thread.
                                  Last edited by Mormank; 27-02-13, 13:08.

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                                    #18
                                    Yea my bad , since i thought it was best to 3b or fold pre i convinced my brain it was a 3b pot sorry.

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