KhJh, a Shove?

[bustamoves]

we are down to 16 with 10 getting paid (in a €50 4k guaranteed freeze out on Entraction) and villain is chip leader and has been quite active (i dont use a HUD for tournies so i dont have VPIP/PRF)

i hold KhJh on the BB

(there are no antes, it's Entraction Network)

he's raised my blind at least 3 times (maybe 4) from middling positions in the last 6 orbits and players behind continually fold. I have a very tight image as a result of being completely card dead and no decent steal or resteal spots so i'm pretty sure he's starting to view my blind as an easy steal even from MP locations especially when the players behind keep on folding and he has the luxury of being CL.


But can i profitably shove here given what i have said? i mean i'm not certain how much fold equity i have and i cant be sure he is not just hitting cards but at the same time i am almost down to 10BB and am conscious that i need to maintain my stack.

{at ths point, if my read is wrong and he has been hitting hands, i am probably screwed is basically is what is going thru my head}

$300/$600 No Limit Holdem
8 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($4,334)
UTG+1 ($17,276)
MP1 ($4,025)
MP2 ($20,623)
CO ($15,784)
BTN ($12,644)
SB ($8,989)
bustamoves (BB) ($7,316)

Pre-Flop: ($900, 8 players) bustamoves is BB :kh: :jh:
3 folds, MP2 raises to $1,350, 3 folds, bustamoves?


any thoughts or comments appreciated.

[DeadParrot]

I'm betwixt and between shove/stopngo
but I'm leaning towards a shove

[gorrrr72]

Are there antes?
You don't have a lot of fold equity but you would have a bit more if there are no antes.

If I have that read I shove here, I hate flatting and ch/folding. I think you have a little too much for a stop n go.

I don't think I fold pre with your read on villian and chips left so yeah, for me it's a shove.

[bustamoves]

I'm betwixt and between shove/stopngo
but I'm leaning towards a shove

Are there antes?
You don't have a lot of fold equity but you would have a bit more if there are no antes.

If I have that read I shove here, I hate flatting and ch/folding. I think you have a little too much for a stop n go.

I don't think I fold pre with your read on villian and chips left so yeah, for me it's a shove.

stop in go never entered my mind.
what boards are we betting (are we jamming?)? why is stop n go better and if you could give me some good reasons for this route plz?

I'm betwixt and between shove/stopngo
but I'm leaning towards a shove

Are there antes?
You don't have a lot of fold equity but you would have a bit more if there are no antes.

If I have that read I shove here, I hate flatting and ch/folding. I think you have a little too much for a stop n go.

I don't think I fold pre with your read on villian and chips left so yeah, for me it's a shove.

gorr there are no antes. if you can expand on the stop n go option also i'd be grateful. its usually only something i consider with small pairs when i feel my opponents range is very strongly weighted towards Ax and i like to jam non-Ace flops

[Daragh999]

Shove pre or something a bit different i might do with this difficult stack size is call and C/R all in if i hit any piece as were too deep to stop and go, we gain his c-bet when we do this as well as the PF raise and can possibly get called by worse depending on the flop. Shoving pre is probably best and easiest though.

[doke]

Not really sure I like the shove all that much as you should have no fold equity so you're effectively just flipping at that point for your tournament. Even if he has a very wide raising range of, say, top 30% of hands, you've only 50% against that range. The shove is probably +cEv but at that stage of a tournament I prefer to be getting them in first with as much fold equity as possible. I know KJs is a pretty hand after a period of card death but I'd prefer to open shove 96o next hand than go with it here.

The fact that there are no antes means 11 or 12 bbs is not critically short. With antes I'd be more inclined to go with as you get gobbled up faster.

[peterswellman]

I really think this is a fold. I don't mind open shoving KJ myself but coming over the top of a raise is never good here imo. Fold and keep pouding on the 4k stacks to your left imo. Without antes this is a fold imo. If he is any good he should never be folding to 11bb shoves.

[gorrrr72]

stop in go never entered my mind.
what boards are we betting (are we jamming?)? why is stop n go better and if you could give me some good reasons for this route plz?





gorr there are no antes. if you can expand on the stop n go option also i'd be grateful. its usually only something i consider with small pairs when i feel my opponents range is very strongly weighted towards Ax and i like to jam non-Ace flops

I don't think a stop n go is an option here, I don't use it much myself.

[bp_me]

I'm pretty comfortable shoving here but play at a much lower level where things might be a bit different.

[cardshark202]

easy shove, plus loads of tourney players raise fold when they shouldn't, so you have more fe than you think

[8611]

You're ahead of his range, and are rarely dominated, its approaching crapshoot for you and his aggression is unlikely to give you the opportunity to find good spots to push. Taking a stand here might be the best approach rather than blinding away while he hammers you with less. That said the likelihood of being called is not filling me with joy.

[theshortstack]

Really cant see why he would have no fold equity?? if he shoves here that makes the pot nearly 9k with mp2 having to call 6k, he needs at least 2:1 to be callin with atc here after a raise.

[AKQJ10]

Plenty of fold equity on entraction, once he's been active shovel all your chips in the middle, to short to call and crai imo