Do we like how we got here and now what?

[Downtown]

Full Tilt Poker Game #27660065968: $50,000 Guarantee (211422934), Table 99 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:04:36 WET - 2011/01/27 [16:04:36 ET - 2011/01/27]
Seat 1: Shlune (2,780)
Seat 2: sargav (2,900)
Seat 3: Hero (3,160)
Seat 4: caddymix024 (2,895)
Seat 5: Toty0611 (2,985)
Seat 6: SteveTheWebGuy (3,225)
Seat 7: xtubax (2,945)
Seat 8: SpanishKey (3,755)
Seat 9: OMGJayGatsby (3,000)
SteveTheWebGuy posts the small blind of 20
xtubax posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero[Ad Kc]
SpanishKey folds
OMGJayGatsby folds
Shlune folds
sargav folds
Hero raises to 120
caddymix024 folds
Toty0611 folds
SteveTheWebGuy folds
xtubax calls 80
*** FLOP *** [5h 3h 2s]
xtubax checks
Hero checks
*** TURN *** [5h 3h 2s] [Kh]
OMGJayGatsby has returned
xtubax bets 210
Hero calls 210
*** RIVER *** [5h 3h 2s Kh] [Kd]
xtubax bets 2,615, and is all in
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME

What about checking the flop/ calling the turn and now what do we do when facing the overbet?

[bustamoves]

i dont mind cking the flop but i prefer betting.

i'm raising the turn for value from draws and worse kings (and mid pairs that he sometimes will bet). if he reships the turn its disgusting and like to think i'd fold.

as played i'm folding the river now as we are looking at a pretty polarised range. i think he value bets Kx mostly but his shipping looks like missed draws(bluffs) and full houses/ straights/flushes.

since its early and we dont know much about him i think i'd just fold since we are not too entrenched in the pot and still have most of our stack to proceed with rest of the tourny. disgusting spot tho when we later find out he was a spazzmonkey.

edit:just see its a 50k tourney so i think its less likely we encounter one of those crazy dudes like at the lower buyins , so i fold for sure

[DeadParrot]

flush also completes on the turn
I think we see Kx an awful lot here.
I think I'm calling

[HiCloy]

Check stats, fold if competent, call if not, so fold here

I'm def not raising turn

[newbie2]

yeah
I dont mind the flop check.
FD gets there on the turn - A4 was always there as were sets. The river shove does (IMO) look funny - weak even - but he's a pretty competant player - so I fold.

[Angry-Ball]

why did we check the flop?
are you folding if villian leads the flop?

the turn is ok i think caution is the best here

if we are not going to call now why did we call the turn?
what cards do you need to see here to make the call?

[Downtown]

why did we check the flop?
are you folding if villian leads the flop?

the turn is ok i think caution is the best here

if we are not going to call now why did we call the turn?
what cards do you need to see here to make the call?

Why did we check flop here?
Sometimes I check back flops here. I think a balance is ok. Dont want to be check raised by 66 or something like that.
Are you folding if Villain leads flop?
No I dont think I would but sometimes I might against certain opponents. Sometimes I would raise a flop donk bet or float.

If we are not going to call now why did we call the turn?
I cant understand this really. I know if we are ahead on the turn we are still ahead. When I called the turn, I was pretty sure I was ahead unless i was against a flush or straight. I wanted to see what he did on the river. Am I wrong in saying that it his the size of his bet that is why I consider folding? If he led river for 600-800 I think I call.

He is a good player and this line is very strange. I think he is hoping I have Kx on the river and thinks I will call. I certainly would over shove with a flush in his spot.

[sligoboi]

Your line looks very much like AK so when we take into a/c he is a good player we assume he can hand read and our range is very heavily weight towards Kx as it's hard for us to have 1010-AA when we check back the flop. Leans me towards a fold but whether I'd do it is another thing...

Edit: And I agree if he bets the river a normal bet I probably beat him into the pot but it just looks like he has read the situation perfectly and is going for max value.

[dannydiamond]

Dirty spot, I'd call though.

[blaaaaaaah]

You played the hand fine, I fold the river as played easy fold to competant player they always do this with flush or full house, they do not bluff off their stacks early on trying to win a small enough pot in relation to their stack,it's jut not worth it and they no that.

[Mellor]

if we are not going to call now why did we call the turn?
what cards do you need to see here to make the call?

That's very one-dimensional thinking,

When the villain leads turn (after c/c flop) we are ahead of his range. Obviously the river hasn't changed the reality of who has the best hand, but it certainly changes his range.

I timebank, OPR, and then fold
The over shove is either very strong or very weak. Given this guy is a big winner, I think stong makes up the majority of it. Flopped set i'd say, hoping to can't fold a flush or even stack off with AK

[Angry-Ball]

That's very one-dimensional thinking,When the villain leads turn (after c/c flop) we are ahead of his range. Obviously the river hasn't changed the reality of who has the best hand, but it certainly changes his range.

I timebank, OPR, and then fold
The over shove is either very strong or very weak. Given this guy is a big winner, I think stong makes up the majority of it. Flopped set i'd say, hoping to can't fold a flush or even stack off with AK

obviously its one dimensional thinking, if i wasn't thinking like that i would probably be winning a few quid

[peterswellman]

He is either full or has a flush here. Reckon I'm snapping folding if we have any inkling that he's competent.

[ianmc38]

I'd bet the flop. Snap folding river.

[Caf]

Check flop, call turn, OPR river.

[danutpeddler]

U played it fine, Ez fold now.

[TommyGunne]

Snap fold this here