Live 1/2 cash

[Mellor]

Live 1/2 cash
Effective stack is $100. First hand at table, but plyers are generally loose and poor.
I post (OOP) in the HJ.

Dealt KdQd

4 limpers to me, I limp. Button/blinds call
8 see a flop

Flop Q74r (16)
Check to me, I make it $10, button calls, MP calls.
Turn 2 (46)
Checke around (thoughts on checking here?)

River 9 (46)
MP bets 20...

[Flushdraw]

I like a raise pre. Lovely hand in position

I'm happy enough to fire the turn aswel. As played, i think i just call the river

[Fuzzy Logic]

Bet turn, call river as played

[Kayroo]

If this is a fairly standard live game then you can get 3 streets of value from this Q here since no live donk is ever folding a pair.

I've no problem betting 3-streets here since all sorts of 1 pair hands will come with you in these games.

I don't mind how you played it at all and the river is probably just a call.

[Valor]

Raise pre, bet more on flop, bet the turn, call the river

[hotspur]

Raise pre, bet more on flop, bet the turn, call the river

This.

I haven't a notion why you checked the turn.

[RoadSweeper]

Raise pre is mandatory

[Opr]

Playing short stacked
Post OOP
Limps pre
Plays badly

All sounds a little fishy

SPOILER

Reverso ?

Opr

[Flushdraw]

Playing short stacked
Post OOP
Limps pre
Plays badly

All sounds a little fishy

SPOILER

Defo Mellor

Opr

FYP

[Mellor]

I like a raise pre. Lovely hand in position

I'm happy enough to fire the turn aswel. As played, i think i just call the river

Playing short stacked

Not short stacked, 100 is the max buy-in. Which is obv balls.
I'm paying time charge to sit down. It's 6 hands till my BB so it better to post now rather sit here paying to do feck all.

I noramally raise PF, 10 looks to be the standard open,
didn't this time as I didn't think many would go away (most are a lot deeper) and didn't want to be playing 90 into 60 on the flop.
Might of gotten call on the turn from a worse hand, I checked to look weak-ish and called the river.
Villian shows QQ for the nuts.

[digiman]

Bit of a results oriented hand I think Mellor, I would never not be stacking off here with KQ 50bb deep on such a board. I would be doing all the betting on every single street.

[BallymoreChris]

If you raise pre then you most likely get reraised by the QQ and can get away easy enough.

Although you can win a lot of big pots in a live game with top pair K kicker your not going to win too many pots with one pair when eight players see a flop no matter what the standard is.
They will turn up with 9,7 & Q 9 here at alot......both hands are unfoldable in a live game and sure if they were suited then obviously they are raising hands.

[AndyFatBastard]

Star City or the Crown, Mellor?

[jack90210]

Is raising pre a good move here? He has KQ which isn't a premium hand. A raise to $10 will see all the limpers call anyway if the table is as described. Making the pot $50, if he misses the flop a c-bet is going to be a for a large portion of his small stack.

These tables full of fish and espically when relatively short stacked I think are best played by waiting for ultra strong hands pre or getting to the flop with marginal holding and hitting 2 pair+ and getting paid off by all the donks.

[BallymoreChris]

Is raising pre a good move here? He has KQ which isn't a premium hand. A raise to $10 will see all the limpers call anyway if the table is as described. Making the pot $50, if he misses the flop a c-bet is going to be a for a large portion of his small stack.

These tables full of fish and espically when relatively short stacked I think are best played by waiting for ultra strong hands pre or getting to the flop with marginal holding and hitting 2 pair+ and getting paid off by all the donks.

I agree with you re the 2 pair or better.

The point I was making about the raise pre is the QQ would have reraised (probably) allowing KQ to fold and save money.

I all ready said that 1 pair is not going to be the best hand when 8 players see the flop.

[digiman]

Is raising pre a good move here? He has KQ which isn't a premium hand. A raise to $10 will see all the limpers call anyway if the table is as described. Making the pot $50, if he misses the flop a c-bet is going to be a for a large portion of his small stack.

These tables full of fish and espically when relatively short stacked I think are best played by waiting for ultra strong hands pre or getting to the flop with marginal holding and hitting 2 pair+ and getting paid off by all the donks.

How is KQs not a premium hand?

So you either wait for ultra strong hands or else you play a marginal hand but don't want to raise pre with KQs which is a very strong hand. That doesn't make much sense to me tbh.

You only ever have a max of 50bb and have to pay to play so you can't be waiting around to get AA and KK and limping in with marginal holdings hoping to flop 2 pair or even a pair isn't a good plan either.

[BobSloane]

A raise to $10 will see all the limpers call anyway if the table is as described. Making the pot $50, if he misses the flop a c-bet is going to be a for a large portion of his small stack.

Here's an idea. Don't cbet the flop if you get 5 callers and miss.

[BallymoreChris]

Here's an idea. Don't cbet the flop if you get 5 callers and miss.

Don't C-bet the flop lol that is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this site.
Has anybody ever not C-bet after a preflop raise, lol seriously!!

Only serious answers please.

[Mellor]

Star City or the Crown, Mellor?

Star City. Really hate playing as the 1/2 game is capped. It plays so strange too.
They never have good tourneys, but i'm determined to sat into one of the big ones soon. APPT or Aussie mill

Bit of a results oriented hand I think Mellor, I would never not be stacking off here with KQ 50bb deep on such a board. I would be doing all the betting on every single street.

Think I am a bit results based. Just want to check to see if others thought 3 barrels were ok verses a rake of callers.

[Denny Crane]

Don't C-bet the flop lol that is the funniest thing I have ever heard on this site.
Has anybody ever not C-bet after a preflop raise, lol seriously!!

Only serious answers please.

[jack90210]

Here's an idea. Don't cbet the flop if you get 5 callers and miss.

Clearly. But why we would he lob in the extra $10 to build the pot when theres a good chance he will miss or be outflopped with so many callers. Better off limping pre IMO.

[BobSloane]

Clearly. But why we would he lob in the extra $10 to build the pot when theres a good chance he will miss or be outflopped with so many callers. Better off limping pre IMO.

To limit the field, to pick up the dead money,to play the pot in position, to build the pot for when we do hit, because we have a relative monster after nobody has shown any strength and because it is better than limping and having someone iso raise behind you

[jack90210]

To limit the field, to pick up the dead money,to play the pot in position, to build the pot for when we do hit, because we have a relative monster after nobody has shown any strength and because it is better than limping and having someone iso raise behind you

Your not adjusting for who your playing and stack size. The raise won't limit the field, already have decent position, KQ is not a monster espically when the 4 limpers will call. This is basically what anyone who buys in low in a cash game in Dublin has to do - play ultra tight get a premium hand or see a cheap flop and hit big. Nobody is folding - espically pre.

[AndyFatBastard]

Star City. Really hate playing as the 1/2 game is capped. It plays so strange too.
They never have good tourneys, but i'm determined to sat into one of the big ones soon. APPT or Aussie mill

Yeah wierd game. When I played there there were always guys who would sit down and immediately lose a few buyins trying to get a double up so that they could start actually playing.

That was 3 years ago now. If only I knew how to play poker then, I'd have made a fortune. Le sigh.

[BobSloane]

Your not adjusting for who your playing and stack size. The raise won't limit the field, already have decent position, KQ is not a monster espically when the 4 limpers will call. This is basically what anyone who buys in low in a cash game in Dublin has to do - play ultra tight get a premium hand or see a cheap flop and hit big. Nobody is folding - espically pre.

You are playing against limpers and have a top 5% hand. Stack size makes it easier imo. If you flop top pair or a decent draw you have nothing to think about postflop. So what if it wont limit the field - you have a top 5% hand. You wont have position if the co and button come along or isolate the dead money. KQs is a monster when 4 people limp in. They are limping with garbage,raggy aces,small pairs and hands you dominate.