Eglinton Monthly FT

[Pickles888]

Would like to get some opinions on this, very standard really, but seem to have been in this position more times than I am comfortable with.

9 Handed Final Table, Prizes range from €2400 1st, down to money back €150 9th.


I have 70k in chips at start, average 60k, Chip lead is 125k. 24min blinds at level 3k-6k.

3 players get knocked out so down to 6 remaining.Blinds now at 5k and 10k. 2 stacks over 200k, 1 stack 130k and 3 stacks(including me) on 50k approx.

I'm under the gun A8o and ship into another shorties blind, run into one of the big stacks with AQ and don't improve.....

So you always ship here right?? or can we afford another round of the table??

[NuckChorris]

Always ship it. 5 big blinds so if you wait another orbit you get called by any hand in the big bllind. They need something to call you here, and prob about 50/50 that someone will have a calling hand.

[LTL]

Ye,very standard ship. By folding and allowing yourself dwindle to 35k you lose any fold equity and will get snapped off so much lighter.

[TommyGunne]

Ul. I'd have been looking to ship sooner and lighter, but sometimes you just can't avoid being blinded down to 5bb.

[Pickles888]

Ul. I'd have been looking to ship sooner and lighter, but sometimes you just can't avoid being blinded down to 5bb.

Thanks.Yeah, was just the way the table played out. Lots of large raising and calling/reraising from the bigger stacks before I was to act. Showing down the goods while I was still wondering was there anything in the deck higher than a 7..............

[DrJFF]

There are no big stacks from the info given "big stacks" have 20bbs

easy shove and shoving close to any two here as well

[Pickles888]

There are no big stacks from the info given "big stacks" have 20bbs

easy shove and shoving close to any two here as well

Yeah good point, just meant bigger in comparison to the 3 shorter stacks which included my own.

I had made up my mind to shove atc, was disappointed to see the ace as I guessed a big ace was what was most likely to call me down.

[DrJFF]

Yeah good point, just meant bigger in comparison to the 3 shorter stacks which included my own.

I had made up my mind to shove atc, was disappointed to see the ace as I guessed a big ace was what was most likely to call me down.

generally shoving any Ax hand is good cos unless you run into exactly AA you wil have close to 30% equity so i would be happier to look down at Ax here rather than anything else

[Pickles888]

generally shoving any Ax hand is good cos unless you run into exactly AA you wil have close to 30% equity so i would be happier to look down at Ax here rather than anything else

this makes perfect sense and is what I have always hoped for and done.

However have become increasingly uncomfortable with Ax here as when in this spot seem to almost always run into kicker problems. Hence I find myself hoping for atc(no A) and a 40/60 if called............

Very unlucky I would think to run into qq,kk or aa. But 6 handed I think a call comes from A9 up.?

[Sideshow Bob]

this makes perfect sense and is what I have always hoped for and done.

However have become increasingly uncomfortable with Ax here as when in this spot seem to almost always run into kicker problems. Hence I find myself hoping for atc(no A) and a 40/60 if called............

Very unlucky I would think to run into qq,kk or aa. But 6 handed I think a call comes from A9 up.?

Imho far better to jam with atc connectors etc rather than raggy ace ,
invariably called by a dominating hand far better to have 2 live cards

everyone has their own ideas

as played you made no mistake , as said before get em in before you are blinded too short, to live you have to be prepared to die, try and pull the trigger when your ammo isn't so low.

eglinton seem to specialise in these 5 bb final tables , only played there a couple of times lovely ppl , super quick structures

[Moneymaker]

Imho far better to jam with atc connectors etc rather than raggy ace ,
invariably called by a dominating hand far better to have 2 live cards

If you shove the 56sooooooooooted into 88 you're even more fucked.

At least with Ax you're gonna be 30% almost every single time.

[Pickles888]

Imho far better to jam with atc connectors etc rather than raggy ace ,
invariably called by a dominating hand far better to have 2 live cards

everyone has their own ideas

as played you made no mistake , as said before get em in before you are blinded too short, to live you have to be prepared to die, try and pull the trigger when your ammo isn't so low.

eglinton seem to specialise in these 5 bb final tables , only played there a couple of times lovely ppl , super quick structures

Am leaning towards this play, as always seem to run into the bigger ace.

Interestingly enough the two other shorter stacks went on to finish 1st and 2nd.

Do remember now I did bottle 1 opportunity to jam when folded round to me in small blind had 5,3. Folded and was shown A by bb.

[TommyGunne]

Imho far better to jam with atc connectors etc rather than raggy ace ,
invariably called by a dominating hand far better to have 2 live cards

everyone has their own ideas

as played you made no mistake , as said before get em in before you are blinded too short, to live you have to be prepared to die, try and pull the trigger when your ammo isn't so low.

eglinton seem to specialise in these 5 bb final tables , only played there a couple of times lovely ppl , super quick structures

Nah, its far far better to jam an A or broadways. You have more equity and more blockers.

[Closed_Account]

TommyG your demented for the old blockers these days!

[scouser in dub]

with 6 players and 5bb's discussing whether to jam SC's or rag aces or broadways seems kinda moot

[Pickles888]

with 6 players and 5bb's discussing whether to jam SC's or rag aces or broadways seems kinda moot

Obviously the replys around the above were moving outside 5bb situations.

Thanks for all replys guys!!

I have always shoved in this situation. I think if you want to take down the Tourney you need to. However if playing tourneys(non sat) on a regular basis then I am starting to convince myself that hanging on and moving up the pay scale a place or two at these late stages is a better strategy, maybe....................

I suppose the payout structure and how flat it is will be something else to consider before shoving at future final tables(hopefully).

Thanks All!

[scouser in dub]

when your deeper than 5bb's but still in open shove territory then all three remain pretty standard jams tbh. Also you have a hand around the top 20% thats only in trouble against 10% and gets called less than that on occasion, trying to fold up the money when you are going to have 20% of your stack in the middle in the BB next hand has to be a mistake

[doke]

If you shove the 56sooooooooooted into 88 you're even more fucked.

At least with Ax you're gonna be 30% almost every single time.

Yup. Domination is overstated. People talk about it like it's the worst thing ever and say mad stuff like I'd rather shove 63o cos I know I'll be live. Not much consolation when you get called by 77. Also the presence of an ace in your hand makes it less likely someone else has one (or heaven forbid 2), particularly shorthanded. The most underrated shoving hands are the low suited aces. A hand like A5s has way more equity than 87s or A8o.

[IPB Champ]

Yup. Domination is overstated. People talk about it like it's the worst thing ever and say mad stuff like I'd rather shove 63o cos I know I'll be live. Not much consolation when you get called by 77. Also the presence of an ace in your hand makes it less likely someone else has one (or heaven forbid 2), particularly shorthanded. The most underrated shoving hands are the low suited aces. A hand like A5s has way more equity than 87s or A8o.

Are you talking 3bet shoving or openshoving? think everyone open shoves shorthanded with any ace.. yeah i do agree and i would much prefer A2-5s than A6-9o, hit a lot more flops with wheeldraws flushdraws etc.

The most underrated hand in poker is the 62o, that hand is so disguised and hits like 82% of the time (2 pair or better) it's a trade secret, so don't be telling everyone. You can keep your overrated AKs

[DrJFF]

Are you talking 3bet shoving or openshoving? think everyone open shoves shorthanded with any ace.. yeah i do agree and i would much prefer A2-5s than A6-9o, hit a lot more flops with wheeldraws flushdraws etc.

The most underrated hand in poker is the 62o, that hand is so disguised and hits like 82% of the time (2 pair or better) it's a trade secret, so don't be telling everyone. You can keep your overrated AKs

I would take A9of vs A2-A5s every day of the week

[IPB Champ]

I would take A9of vs A2-A5s every day of the week

He's talking about equity when shoving and being called, not A9 v A5. I'd have A5s over A9o v Kx/a pair obv.

[DrJFF]

He's talking about equity when shoving and being called, not A9 v A5. I'd have A5s over A9o v Kx/a pair obv.

A9 is stil better

[IPB Champ]

If you give the people behind you a range of hands thats going to call your shove. A5s will play better than A9o against their range imo.

[Mellor]

Imho far better to jam with atc connectors etc rather than raggy ace ,
invariably called by a dominating hand far better to have 2 live cards

everyone has their own ideas

It really isn't.
It's already been point out that A,x has way more equity than 67 type hands against a calling range at this stage. But you also completely over lookign the times we are called by worse Aces.

OP Shoved A8, if the big stack or the BB wakes up with A2-A7, they are calling (and they are prob correct) and we are in smack bang in best case scenario.

A9 is stil better

A9 is border line, as is A8
But A5s is >>> than A6 and A7,

Would like to get some opinions on this, very standard really, but seem to have been in this position more times than I am comfortable with.

9 Handed Final Table, Prizes range from €2400 1st, down to money back €150 9th.


I have 70k in chips at start, average 60k, Chip lead is 125k. 24min blinds at level 3k-6k.

3 players get knocked out so down to 6 remaining.Blinds now at 5k and 10k. 2 stacks over 200k, 1 stack 130k and 3 stacks(including me) on 50k approx.

I'm under the gun A8o and ship into another shorties blind, run into one of the big stacks with AQ and don't improve.....

So you always ship here right?? or can we afford another round of the table??

Anyway, OP welcomes to IPB. Just a few pointers to help when posting hands and when looking back on your play.

It doesn't really matter what you had at the start. Or that 9th got $150.
It's far more important to give details of how you current stand.
When posting final table hands, try to give as much of the following as possible;

The stack size and position of every player
The prizemoney for every spot, or at least for 1st place, and the next to get eliminated.
And recent hands of note between yourself and the villain,


As for your busto hand, it's pretty thin with not much to debate.
Everyone (and I mean everyone) over analyses the hand that knocks them out. It's hard not too, as its the one that you remember above all the others. Have a look around, there is a disproportionate number of busto hands posted. They can't all be important.

At this stage of the tourney, with 5BBs, the really important hand passed about 30 minutes ago. You might not of even noticed it. It was the fold you made to a raise when you maybe should of shoved over from the button, or draw you should or shouldn't have chased earlier in the field.

[NuckChorris]

V nice post. As was Doke's.

[Sideshow Bob]

from my ipoker skewed experience you are on average a 3/1 dog when called by a hand you have dominated for example

AQ < A6 81 % loses

AK < AQ 99 % loses

AJ V A10 Coinflip

A2 is Best to push with as 2 always on flop


i am enjoying hearing peoples thoughts on a subject close to my heart.